[B-Greek] bilingualism/'dead' languages (Was Re: Translating (Participles)

John Wilking jcwilking at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 17 19:38:12 EST 2008


Ann,

Charlotte and I were referring to bilingualism in which one of the languages is dead and one is living, as is the case with Carl.  Carl had mentioned his views on understanding and translating Greek, and I wondered if there was anything different between being bilingual with two living languages and being bilingual with a dead language.  Apparently there isn't anything going on.

John


--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Ann Nyland <nyland at tsn.cc> wrote:

> From: Ann Nyland <nyland at tsn.cc>
> Subject: [B-Greek] bilingualism/'dead' languages (Was Re: Translating (Participles)
> To: "BGREEK" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 5:24 PM
> >> I wrote to Charlotte Hoffman ... and she is unaware
> of anything written 
> >> about bilingualism
> > > that involves a dead language.
> Goodness me!
> See the below, none recent and thus surely harder to
> overlook:  this work on 
> bilingualism in first century Palestine (don't be
> misled by the title), 
> G.H.R. Horsley, "The Fiction of Jewish Greek" in
> New Documents Illustrating 
> Early Christianity, Vol. v. Macquarie, Sydney,  1989.
> H. Solin, ANRW 11.29.2 (1983) 587-789.
> For bilingualism; Syriac, Coptic, Punic and Celtic in the
> Roman world, see 
> R. MacMullen, AJP 87 (1966) 1-17
> And for 'dead" languages unrelated to 1st c
> Palestine, see N.C. Dorian, 
> Language Death: The Life Cycle of a Scottish Gaelic
> Dialect, Philadelphia, 
> 1981.
> Also, J. Whatmough, the Dialect of Ancient Gaul, Cambridge
> (mass.) 1970.
> For Greek and Nubian bilingualism, see J.H. Plumley (ed)
> Nubian Studies. 
> Proceedings of the Symposium for Nubian Studies, Cambridge,
> 1978 
> [Warminster, 1982), 103-7.
> For indigenous languages in Roman Africa, ( and for
> Aramaic, Syriac and 
> Greek in Roman Syria ) see F. Millar, JRS 58 (1968) 126-34
> For bilingualism in Ptolemaic Egypt see W. Peremans's
> works, inc. "Sur le 
> bilinguisme dans l"egypte des Lagides' in L.
> Quaegebear (ed) Studia P. 
> Naster oblata, 11. Orientalia Antiqua (Orientalia
> Lovaniensia Analecta 13; 
> Leuven 1982, 143-54.
> There are others, but I can only type slowly with 2
> fingers.
> Ann Nyland
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John McChesney-Young"
> <panis at pacbell.net>
> To: <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Translating (Participles)
> 
> 
> > John Wilking wrote in part:
> >
> >> I wrote to Charlotte Hoffman ... and she is
> unaware of anything written 
> >> about bilingualism
> > > that involves a dead language.  ...
> >
> > Perhaps of use would be this very interesting
> collection of essays from
> > 2002:
> >
> > Bilingualism in Ancient Society
> > Language Contact and the Written Word
> >
> > Edited by J.N. Adams, M. Janse, and S. Swain
> >
> > http://www.oup.com/uk/catalogue/?ci=9780199245062
> >
> > ***
> >
> > Adams' _Bilingualism and the Latin Language_,
> published the following
> > year, has recently been reissued in paperback too:
> >
> >
> http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521731515
> >
> > John
> >
> > ***
> >
> > John McChesney-Young ~ jmccyoung at gmail dot com ~
> Berkeley, California
> >                       http://jmccyoung.blogspot.com
> 
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