[B-Greek] Jude 4 - A Second Look

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Sun Nov 30 12:14:04 EST 2008


On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:45 AM, rhutchin at aol.com wrote:

> In Jude 4, we read;
>
> PAREISEDUNSAN GAR TIVES ANQRWPOI…ASEBEIS THN TOU QEOU hHMWN CARITA  
> METATIQENTES EIS ASELGEIAN KAI TON MONON DESPOTHN KAI KURION hHMWN  
> IHSOUN CRISTON ARNOUMENOI
>
> Had Jude written:
>
> PAREISEDUNSAN GAR TIVES ANQRWPOI...ASEBEIS THN TOU QEOU hHMWN CARITA  
> METATIQENTES EIS ASELGEIAN KAI TON MONON DESPOTHN ARNOUMENOI
>
> Or even TON MONON DESPOTHN QEON (as the Byzantine text)
>
> then DESPOTHN would seem to refer to God from the earlier THN TOU  
> QEOU hHMWN CARITA.
>
> Had Jude written;
>
> PAREISEDUNSAN GAR TIVES ANQRWPOI...ASEBEIS THN TOU QEOU hHMWN CARITA  
> METATIQENTES EIS ASELGEIAN KAI TON MONON DESPOTHN ARNOUMENOI KAI  
> KURION hHMWN IHSOUN CRISTON
>
> Then DESPOTHN would also seem to refer to God from the earlier THN  
> TOU QEOU hHMWN CARITA.  If they deny God, then they deny Christ.
>
> However, Jude writes:
>
> PAREISEDUNSAN GAR TIVES ANQRWPOI...ASEBEIS THN TOU QEOU hHMWN CARITA  
> METATIQENTES EIS ASELGEIAN KAI TON MONON DESPOTHN KAI KURION hHMWN  
> IHSOUN CRISTON ARNOUMENOI

Why can't we just stick with what the text says, and avoid speculating  
about what it MIGHT HAVE SAID?

> What is the effect of placing ARNOUMENOI at the end of KAI TON MONON  
> DESPOTHN KAI KURION hHMWN IHSOUN CRISTON ARNOUMENOI?  Does this  
> allow Jude to join together DESPOTHN KAI KURION as one person as if  
> to say, Our only DESPOTHN KAI KURION, Jesus Christ?
>
> If we follow the Byzantine text, KAI TON MONON DESPOTHN QEON KAI  
> KURION hHMWN IHSOUN CRISTON ARNOUMENOI, could the sense of the verse  
> still be the same as with QEON omitted so that Jude could still have  
> meant to join together DESPOTHN QEON KAI KURION as one person, Our  
> only DESPOTHN QEO
> N KAI KURION, Jesus Christ?
>
> Roger Hutchinson

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)






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