[B-Greek] Fw: Re: Use of perfect in Jas1:24
Kevin W. Woodruff
cierpke at prodigy.net
Sun Oct 26 14:10:47 EDT 2008
> From: Kevin W. Woodruff <cierpke at prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Use of perfect in Jas1:24
> To: "Stephen Baldwin" <stbaldwi at hotmail.com>
> Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 2:08 PM
> Steve:
>
> We have a couple of choices:
>
> 1. It is a Historical Perfect/ Dramatic Historical Present
> Perfect, in the sense of a Perfect which expresses a past
> completed action, the result of which the speaker conceives
> himself to be witnessing (Burton Syntax of Moods and Tenses.
> Robertson, Greek Grammar in Light of Historical Research)
>
> 2. It is a Gnomic Perfect with nearly the force of a Gnomic
> Present or Aorist. (Burton, Syntax of Moods and Tenses,
> Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics )
>
>
> Kevin
>
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> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Stephen Baldwin
> <stbaldwi at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Stephen Baldwin <stbaldwi at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [B-Greek] Use of perfect in Jas1:24
> > To: "B- Greek"
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 12:54 PM
> > Ladies and Gentlemen:
> > In reading James and Peter Davids' commentary
> [NIGTC],
> > I was curious to see James' use of the perfect in
> 1:24
> > (the mirror/memory incident), and Davids' comments
> > thereon.
> >
> > As Davids points out, we have 2 [gnomic] aorists,
> > KATENOHSEN and EPELAQETO followed by the going away
> from the
> > mirror which is perfect APELHLUQEN. 2 possible
> explanations
> > are given:
> > a] The emphasis is on the continuing state of
> > "departedness" (Davids quoting Ropes)
> > or
> > b] It is purely stylistic (BDF ss344)
> >
> > Given the context, neither of these explanations
> seemed
> > particularly convincing. It is not apparent to me why
> there
> > would be a need to "emphasise the state of
> > departedness" in the context of the passage
> [discussion
> > of this may be off limits/verging off-limits for
> b-greek].
> > As another member of my group said, explanation [b]
> sounds
> > like an "explanation of last resort".
> >
> > Perfects are hardly bandied about in the GNT.
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts?
> >
> > Rgds
> > Steve Baldwin
> > stbaldwi at hotmail.com
> >
> >
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