[B-Greek] Present imperative in Matt. 7:1

Michael Lawson dikaiosune_7 at msn.com
Mon Dec 7 17:51:37 EST 2009


Blue,

I quote from Daniel B. Wallace's "Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics", page 717, ""In sum, the basic force of the aorist in commands/prohibitions is that it views the action as a whole, while the basic force of the present in commands/prohibitions is that it views the action as ongoing process. This basic meaning may, of course, be shaped in a given context to fit, say, an ingressive idea for the aorist. Thus if the conditions are right, the aorist prohibition may well have the force of "Do not start." This is an affected meaning or specific usage. But to call this the essential idea is not correct.""
Note: Words in italics are Wallace's.

Michael Lawson
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  Hello Eddie -

  So when it comes to the imperative mood used in negative situations, the tense does not change the parameters of the verbal injunction? In other words, the aorist imperative would have been just as appropriate in this context? (Assuming the Lord was referring to a person who was always making judgments of other people, not someone who was contemplating judging someone). And, if the answer is yes, what would be the main distinction between the two tenses? 

  B.Harris




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  B. Harris

  Both uses of the Imperative mean to stop X if you are doing it and to not do X if you are contemplating it. That much we know.

  Eddie Mishoe

  --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com<mailto:bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>> wrote:


  >From: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com<mailto:bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>>
  >Subject: [B-Greek] Present imperative in Matt. 7:1
  >To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
  >Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:06 PM
  >
  >
  >Knowing that in negative situations, generally the aorist imperative seeks to stop an act before it occurs, and the present imperative seeks to stop an act from continuing, or to stop an act that is occurring, does the present imperative in Matt. 7:1 MH KRINETE INA MH KRIQHTE equate to “Stop judging, so that you might not be judged, or “Don’t be judging all the time, so that you will not be judged? It does not seem to be the former because in verse 5 a judgment is still made after the removal of one’s own log in one’s own eye. Is the idea behind this verse - do not be known as critical person, or do not act as a judge at all?
  > 
  >I know sometimes with our analysis of Greek one might miss the forest for the trees, but sometimes it seems we can miss the trees because of the forest. Any thoughts?
  > 
  >Sincerely,
  >B.Harris
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