[B-Greek] HKW - perfect with present meaning
Blue Meeksbay
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Fri Dec 11 17:10:57 EST 2009
I found Robertson called hHKW a "perfective," (pg.. 869) and in his index he called it "perf. sense but pres. form" (pg. 1265). Do you suppose they used to call it a "perfect" since it was used as a perfect and the mistake was using the word "meaning" rather than using the word "form?"
Regards,
B.Harris
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From: Eddie Mishoe <edmishoe at yahoo.com>
To: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 12:44:00 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] HKW - perfect with present meaning
Blue
That must surely be a typo. I say this because he says the pres. = pf. and then adds, hence impf = plpf, which means he just dropped one level on both the Pres (down one level to the Impf) and Pf (down one level to the plpf).
Eddie Mishoe
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com> wrote:
>From: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] HKW - perfect with present meaning
>To: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
>Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 2:24 PM
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>Yes, I checked again, it says "perfect," abbreviated pf. — I will try to write it out, (although I do not know how I would transliterate Hebrew, so I will spell out the letters).
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>“HKW, [in LXX chiefly for "aleph, vav, bet";] pf. with pres. meaning (hence impf.=plpf.), to have come, be present: Mt. 24:50, Mk 8:3 (late pf., HKA, v. Swete, in 1.: WH, App., 169), Lk 12:46, 15:27, Jn. 8:42, He 10:7,9,27, I Jo 5:20 etc.”
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>I stopped there, and did not quote the rest. WH is his abbreviation for Westcott and Hort, I am not sure what App., 169 is, but it is in italics. The quote is on page 198 of the Third edition, reprinted in 1968, T & T Clark, Edinburgh)
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>Regards,
>B.Harris
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>From: Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
>To: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
>Cc: B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 10:54:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] HKW - perfect with present meaning
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>On Friday, December 11, 2009, at 01:42PM, "Blue Meeksbay" <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Forgive my ignorance, but any idea why Abbott-Smith would say concerning HKW "perfect with present meaning (hence imperfect= pluperfect)"
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>I dunno. Are you sure it doesn't say, "present with perfect meaning"? If not, that's what it should say.
>hHKW has a counterpart in ERRW or ERREI (I don't think I've ever seen it in the first person).
>hHKEI = "he/she/it has arrived" ERREI "he/she/it is gone."
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>C. W. Conrad
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