[B-Greek] HKW - perfect with present meaning

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Fri Dec 11 19:58:46 EST 2009


I think that Abbot-Smith simply goofed and meant to say "present with perfect meaning." That certainly is what is implied by the parenthetical addition "(hence imperfect= pluperfect)." There really are errors in textbooks, you know.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)

 
On Friday, December 11, 2009, at 05:10PM, "Blue Meeksbay" <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com> wrote:
>I found Robertson called hHKW a "perfective," (pg.. 869) and in his index he called it "perf. sense but pres. form" (pg. 1265).   Do you suppose they used to call it a "perfect" since it was used as a perfect and the mistake was using the word "meaning" rather than using the word "form?"
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>That must surely be a typo. I say this because he says the pres. = pf. and then adds, hence impf = plpf, which means he just dropped one level on both the Pres (down one level to the Impf) and Pf (down one level to the plpf). 
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>Eddie Mishoe
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>--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>From: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] HKW - perfect with present meaning
>>To: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
>>Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>>Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 2:24 PM
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>>Yes, I checked again, it says "perfect," abbreviated pf. — I will try to write it out, (although I do not know how I would transliterate Hebrew, so I will spell out the letters).
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>>“HKW, [in LXX chiefly for "aleph, vav, bet";] pf. with pres. meaning (hence impf.=plpf.), to have come, be present: Mt. 24:50, Mk 8:3 (late pf., HKA, v. Swete, in 1.: WH, App., 169), Lk 12:46, 15:27, Jn. 8:42, He 10:7,9,27, I Jo 5:20 etc.”
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>>I stopped there, and did not quote the rest. WH is his abbreviation for Westcott and Hort, I am not sure what App., 169 is, but it is in italics. The quote is on page 198 of the Third edition, reprinted in 1968, T & T Clark, Edinburgh)
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>>B.Harris
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>>From: Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
>>To: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
>>Cc: B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 10:54:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] HKW - perfect with present meaning
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>>On Friday, December 11, 2009, at 01:42PM, "Blue Meeksbay" <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Forgive my ignorance, but any idea why Abbott-Smith would say concerning HKW "perfect with present meaning (hence imperfect= pluperfect)"
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>>I dunno. Are you sure it doesn't say, "present with perfect meaning"? If not, that's what it should say.
>>hHKW has a counterpart in ERRW or ERREI (I don't think I've ever seen it in the first person).
>>hHKEI = "he/she/it has arrived" ERREI "he/she/it is gone."
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>>C. W. Conrad
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