[B-Greek] Erasmian Pronunciation

James Ernest jdernest at alum.bu.edu
Thu Dec 17 07:23:11 EST 2009


Here's Erasmus, *De recta . . . pronuntiatione, at gallica *
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k52719t

Google Books has a sharper scan of a more a more legible edition:
http://tinyurl.com/yg3gnup

I haven't taken the time yet to wade in deep enough to find the actual
nuts-and-bolts on Greek pronunciation.

James Ernest

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:43 PM, James Ernest <jdernest at alum.bu.edu> wrote:

> I don't want to seem lazy, Scott, but I don't mind actually *being* lazy.
> Could you indicate where in this 168-page Latin thesis on Erasmus's ideas
> about education his instructions for pronouncing Greek are quoted?
> James Ernest
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> CWC note: The following message from Scott Kennedy (whose e-address I
>> can't even recover from the original message) may have been sent to the
>> wrong address for posting and so ending up in "B-Greek Bounces." I think it
>> was intended for the list and so have retrieved it to post to the list.
>> ==========
>>
>>  For those of you with knowledge of Latin in a quest to learn more about
>> Erasmus's pronunciation system, why not read the original text? Gallica has
>> the original text online at
>
>
> http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55026175.r=Erasmus.langEN
>
>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Scott Kennedy
>>
>> > From: stancu at mail.dnttm.ro
>> > To: JErnest at BakerPublishingGroup.com; B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>> > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:41:17 +0200
>> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] "Erasmian?" really? WAS: Another Audio Greek New
>> Testament, free on the Internet
>> >
>> > Did Erasmus treat the accentuation system in his famous work? My
>> > understanding is that he dealt exclusively with the way certain letters
>> were
>> > to be pronounced.
>> >
>> > As for accents, there are some (myself included) who believe that "the
>> > position of ancient Greek accent is largely the same as that of modern
>> > Greek" (Probert P., Ancient Greek Accentuation, Oxford University Press,
>> > 2006, p. 26) and that "the Alexandrian system of accentuation is real"
>> (p.
>> > 27). Why then go for "the third option", or even for a second one? I
>> believe
>> > the effort involved in learning ancient Greek is the same, whether one
>> > complies with the system demonstrated intrinsically by the accentuation
>> > system, or not - the other difficulties of the language are
>> comparatively
>> > much greater. In a Spanish class, would you have any reason to
>> pronounce,
>> > for instance, "despértar" instead of "despertár", or "caloriféro"
>> instead of
>> > "calorífero"? Why not the same with Ancient Greek, since in both
>> languages
>> > graphic accents are available?
>> >
>> > Vasile Stancu
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
>> > [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Ernest
>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:44 PM
>> > To: B-Greek
>> > Subject: [B-Greek] "Erasmian?" really? WAS: Another Audio Greek New
>> > Testament, free on the Internet
>> >
>> > The third option, evidently, is not to have a system at all--i.e.,
>> ignore
>> > the accents entirely and emphasize syllables randomly
>> >
>> > ...
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> > James D. Ernest, PhD, Editor
>> > Baker Academic & Brazos Press
>> > jernest at BakerPublishingGroup.com / http://www.BakerPublishingGroup.com
>> > ------------------------------
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
>> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
>> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
>> WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
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