[B-Greek] Habbakuk 2:4b - objective genitive?

Brian Abasciano bvabasciano at gmail.com
Fri Dec 18 14:51:36 EST 2009


But this seems to be an argument for what is probable, when Eric has asked 
about what is possible grammatically. Grammatically, it is possible that we 
have an objective genitive. As I said, it is another question whether that 
is probable. That may be all your addressing your comments to. It certainly 
seems appropriate to add in opinion concerning the likelihood of an 
objective genitive. But I was only focusing on Eric's specific question, 
which concerned possibility.

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From: "George F Somsel" <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: "Brian Abasciano" <bvabasciano at gmail.com>; <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; 
"Weiss, Eric" <papaweiss1 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Habbakuk 2:4b - objective genitive?


There are a few things of which we are reasonably sure. One of these is that 
the translators of the LXX tended to translate rather literally. The 
difference between "my faith" and "his faith" is the difference between 
reading a waw or a yod in the Hebrew. Another secure fact is that the 
pronominal suffix of the Massoretic text at this point being a waw is in 
some scripts little different from the yod. It therefore seems most likely 
that the waw was confused for a waw. There is a passage in the MT which 
speaks of having faith in God

וְעַד־אָנָה לֹא־יַאֲמִינוּ בִיἕως τίνος οὐ πιστεύουσίν μοι
hEWS TINOS PISTEUOUSIN MOI
(Num 14.11)

"How long will they not have faith in me?"

Note that this is not expressed by a pronominal suffix but rather by a 
preposition with the pronominal suffix. I'm sure that the translators were 
well aware of this and would not have translated it so as to imply that they 
would have understood ἐκ πίστεώς μου EK PISTEWS MOU as "faith in me" (or 
"believing me").

george
gfsomsel


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learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.


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From: Brian Abasciano <bvabasciano at gmail.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; "Weiss, Eric" <papaweiss1 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:52:06 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Habbakuk 2:4b - objective genitive?

To answer your question simply and straightforwardly, Eric, I believe it is
pretty certain that an objective genitive is possible here. Of course, it is
another question whether it is probable.

God bless,

Brian Abasciano

> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:01:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Eric S. Weiss" <papaweiss1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Habbakuk 2:4b - objective genitive?
> To: b-greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> AMBAKOUM 2:4b: hO DE DIKAIOS EK PISTEWS MOU ZHSETAI
> ?
> Both Brenton and NETS translate this as: "but the just shall live by my
> faith" (NETS notes
> "Or faithfulness").
> ?
> Is it possible for?MOU to not be?a possessive genitive, but an objective
> genitive - i.e., "but
> the just [man/person] shall live by/because-of?his faith in Me"?
> ?
> - - -
> Eric S. Weiss
> ?
>
>
>
>

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