[B-Greek] "do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."
Nikolaos Adamou
nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com
Fri Feb 13 23:03:25 EST 2009
This is an example of a hypothetical structure of a first type, subcategory using imperative. It expresses something real.
http://www.greek-language.gr/greekLang/ancient_greek/tools/composition/page_082.html
Hypothesis: ἂν πίνητε Present active Subjunctive ( ‘Υποτακτικὴ - HYPOTAKTIH )
Output/Order: ποιεῖτε Present active imperative ( Προστακτικὴ - PROSTAKTIKH)
The two commas put the hypothetical phrase within its outcome.
“τοῦτο ποιεῖτε, ὁσάκις ἂν πίνητε, εἰς τὴν ἐμὴν ἀνάμνησιν.”
“TOUTO POIEITE, OSAKIS AN PINHTE, EIS THN EMHN ANAMNHSIN”
The complete hypothetical phrase and its outcome:
“ὁσάκις ἂν πίνητε (τῷ ἐμῷ αἵματι), τοῦτο ποιεῖτε εἰς τὴν ἐμὴν ἀνάμνησιν”
“OSAKIS AN PINHTE (TWi EMWi AIMATI), TOUTO POIEITE EIS THN EMHN ANAMNHSIN”
Whenever you drink (my blood), you do that in my own remembrance.
Rephrased for better English in the translation.
1.
ὁσάκις - ὅσες φορὲς – When-ever can also be as often as since the practice of the early Church, that still is in monasteries, in the Western church, but also preached as the appropriate way in the Eastern Church, frequent communion.
How frequent? Every day that Liturgy can be served, and the only day that Liturgy is NOT served in the Eastern Church is Good (Great) Friday. A daily, or even a weekly event is a very frequent event. So there is nothing over killed.
2.
ἀνάμνησις - ANAMNHSIS – it is not memory - μνήμη - MNHMH– but remembrance.
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Nikolaos Adamou, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Business Management
CUNY/BMCC
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:14:21 -0800
> From: gfsomsel at yahoo.com
> To: carlunger at gmail.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] "do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."
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> I think the present progressive used by the ISV is a bit of overkill. Presumably the drinking is a momentary event (which is repeated) so that the remembrance is tied to the momentary event and would not seem to warrant the use of the progressive. Again, with the GWT (what's that?) "every time" seems a bit of overkill. There may not be any significant difference between "every time" and "as often as", but it does seem to overdo it a bit. Of course, we all know that this list is not about translation, don't we?
> george
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> From: Carl Unger <carlunger at gmail.com>
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:43:25 AM
> Subject: [B-Greek] "do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."
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> "WSAUTWS KAI TO POTHRION META TO DEIPNHSAI LEGWN TOUTO TO POTHRION H KAINH
> DIAQHKH ESTIN EN TW EMW AIMATI TOUTO POIEITE OSAKIS EAN PINHTE EIS THN EMHN
> ANAMNHSIN"
>
> I'm talking about the latter part of 1 Corinthians 11:25. I am wondering if
> the ISV and GTW convey the message properly.
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> The ISV translates it:
> *As often as you drink from it, keep doing this in memory of me."*
>
> The GTW translates it:
> *Every time you drink from it, do it to remember me."
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> *They have been translated that way to make it easier to understand. Do
> these translations convey the message accurately? *
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