[B-Greek] Galatians 1:6-7

Charles Johnson cpj5117 at gmail.com
Wed Jun 10 08:54:13 EDT 2009


Thanks to Donald, George, and Elizabeth for the interaction. I think I
understand the flow of thought better. Particularly helpful was Elizabeth's
tidbit that EI MH follows a negative, a requirement that QAUMAZW does not
meet. I'm starting to appreciate being wrong; I always seem to learn
something from it.

Charlie Johnson


On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Donald COBB <docobb at orange.fr> wrote:

> Dear George,
>
> Far be it from me to lop off your neck! (or your head, for that matter!)
>
> I do have a little difficulty following your interpretation, though.
> EUAGGELION without the article, in a different case and separated from the
> participle, has little to commend to itself as the subject. Especially with
> hO OUK ESTIN ALLO, Paul's thought seems to run smoothly: the Galatians have
> turned to another gospel which is, in fact "not another 'Gospel'" at all.
> How would you take the hO OUK ESTIN ALLO?
>
> Paul uses the verbe KALEW three other times in Galatians; in two of those
> occurences the subject is clearly God. The first comes just a few verses
> later, in ch. 1:
>
> Gal 1:15: Ὅτε δὲ εὐδόκησεν [ὁ θεὸς] ὁ ἀφορίσας με ἐκ κοιλίας μητρός μου καὶ
> καλέσας διὰ τῆς χάριτος αὐτοῦ, hOTE DE EUDOKHSEN [hO QEOS] hO AFORISAS ME
> EK
> KOILIAS MHTROS MOU KAI KALESAS DIA THS CARITOS AUTOU.
>
> Gal 5:7: Ἐτρέχετε καλῶς· τίς ὑμᾶς ἐνέκοψεν [τῇ] ἀληθείᾳ μὴ πείθεσθαι; 8 ἡ
> πεισμονὴ οὐκ ἐκ τοῦ καλοῦντος ὑμᾶς, ETRECETE KALWS· TIS hUMAS ENEKOYEN
> [THi]
> ALHQEIAi MH PEIQESQAI; hH PEISMONH OUK EK TOU KALOUNTOS hUMAS.
>
> In neither of these cases is the subject explicitly QEOS (unless the vl is
> retained for 1:15), but I would have a hard time convincing myself that it
> could be the Gospel (the third occurence is 5:15, passive voice). Outside
> Galatians, when Paul uses the verb in the active voice in similar contexts,
> if the subjet is specified or can be discerned from the context, it's
> always
> QEOS. It's often in the passive, which should probably be construed as a
> "passivum divinum".
>
> 2 Th 2:14 is an interesting confirmation: εἰς ὃ [καὶ] ἐκάλεσεν ὑμᾶς διὰ τοῦ
> εὐαγγελίου ἡμῶν εἰς περιποίησιν δόξης τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, EIS hO
> [KAI] EKALESEN hUMAS DIA TOU EUAGGELIOU hHMWN EIS PERIPOIHSIN DOXHS TOU
> KURIOU hHMWN IHSOU CRISTOU.
>
> The Gospel in this verse is the means of the calling, not the subjet.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Donald Cobb
> Aix-en-Provence
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George F Somsel" <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> To: "Charles Johnson" <cpj5117 at gmail.com>; "B Greek"
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Galatians 1:6-7
>
>
>  6Θαυμάζω ὅτι οὕτως ταχέως μετατίθεσθε ἀπὸ τοῦ καλέσαντος ὑμᾶς ἐν χάριτι
>> [Χριστοῦ]εἰς ἕτερον εὐαγγέλιον, 7ὃ οὐκ ἔστιν ἄλλο, εἰ μή τινές εἰσιν οἱ
>>
>> ταράσσοντες ὑμᾶς καὶ θέλοντες μεταστρέψαι τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τοῦ Χριστοῦ.
>>
>> QAUMAZW hOTI hOUTWS TAXEWS METATIQESQE APO TOU KALESANTOS hUMAS EN XARITI
>> [XRISTOU] EIS hETERON EUAGGELION. 7 hO OUK ESTIN ALLO, EI MH TINES EISIN
>> hOI TARASSONTES hUMAS KAI QELONTES METASTREYAI TO EUAGGELION TOU XRISTOU.
>>
>> I have a slightly different take on this from the normal. It is usual to
>> supply the subject here as being [in the AV tradition] God. Therefore
>> καλέσαντος KALESANTOS is generally construed as a aor masc gen sg part,
>> but it could also be a aor neuter gen sg part. In that case, what would be
>> the subject? The neut noun εὐαγγέλιον EUAGGELION ! Although one must also
>> understand τοῦ εὐαγγελίου TOU EUAGGELIOU in the gen abs as one must
>> understand τοῦ θεοῦ TOU QEOU in the usual understanding of the passage,
>> the word is already right there to be brought to mind. Also, εἰ μή might
>> be understood after the manner of the English "unless" which is really
>> very similar to "except." The sense would then be that he is surprised
>> that they are forsaking the GOSPEL WHICH CALLED them into Christ's favor
>> for another gospel. He is surprised UNLESS some persons are disturbing
>> them by trying to
>> alter the gospel itself.
>>
>> I've attempted to avoid coming out and giving an actual translation though
>> I realize that it is very close to being one. Hopefully this will make
>> some sense.
>> george
>> gfsomsel
>>
>>
>> … search for truth, hear truth,
>> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
>> defend the truth till death.
>>
>>
>> - Jan Hus
>> _________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Charles Johnson <cpj5117 at gmail.com>
>> To: B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 3:22:10 PM
>> Subject: [B-Greek] Galatians 1:6-7
>>
>> I have a question about how certain clauses are connected in Galatians
>> 1:6-7. I'm looking particularly at the clause in v.7 beginning with ει μη.
>> Many versions seem to render it as a subordinate clause under ο ουκ εστιν
>> αλλο. Leedy's NT diagrams in Bibleworks agree. I see that several versions
>> indicate that relationship and some others appear to be more ambiguous.
>> So,
>> understanding that I'm probably wrong, I thought I would propose an
>> alternate solution.
>>
>> I cannot make good logical sense out of "which is not another [gospel],
>> except there are some who trouble you...." I further struggle with the
>> idea
>> of placing a subordinate clause under what appears to be a parenthetical
>> statement. Rather, would it be possible to connect the ει μη back to
>> θαυμαζω
>> in v. 6? The distinctive force of ει μη as "except" makes good sense in
>> this
>> arrangement. The paraphrase would be as follows:
>>
>> "I [would be] amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you
>> by
>> the grace of Christ for a different gospel (not that there is another),
>> except [I know] there are some who trouble you...."
>>
>> The words in brackets are my amplifications. In other words, Paul is
>> saying
>> he would be amazed except that he knows about this dangerous threat. Using
>> the naked indicative in the main clause highlights his amazement. Is my
>> idea
>> a possibility?
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