[B-Greek] Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online

Brian Abasciano bvabasciano at gmail.com
Sat Mar 21 14:21:05 EDT 2009


That is sad news. I would suggest going here--  
http://www.ntgateway.com/greek-ntgateway/greek-new-testament-texts/ -- to 
see the other main options for online biblical Greek texts.

Brian Abasciano

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Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:19:02 -0400
From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online
To: B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: Zack Hubert <zhubert at zhubert.com>
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See the announcement on the "Biblical Studies and Technological Tools"
blog:

http://bibleandtech.blogspot.com/2009/03/zhubert-regreek-goes-offline.html
= http://tinyurl.com/dh49ut

and the briefer note at the zhubert.com site itself:

http://zhubert.com/

This is a big blow to many a student of Biblical texts in the original
languages. For B-Greekers, a secondary (tertiary?) inconvenience is
that one could always go there for a quick recoding of a Biblical
Greek text in the standard B-Greek transliteration scheme. That too is
lost. Evidently the fundamental problem is that the text employed as
provided by James Tauber's MorphGNT is under copyright. Without that
text the whole functionality of the site collapses.

As Robert El Lee is reported to have muttered repeaedly while
withdrawing from the battle site at Gettysburg, "Too bad! Too bad! ...
" Not that I wish the battle had turned out otherwise, but Lee's sense
of the magnitude of the loss of that battle can be appreciated by
those who will miss the zhubert.com site.


Carl W. Conrad
Co-Chair, B-Greek List
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu or cwconrad2 at mac.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/


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>   1. JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU (Elizabeth Kline)
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>   3. Acts 26:17 (Ross Assink)
>   4. Re: little problem (Bert de Haan)
>   5. Re: Acts 26:17 (Carl Conrad)
>   6. Re: Acts 26:17 (Ross Assink)
>   7. Re: JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU (jerry)
>   8. Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online (Carl Conrad)
>   9. Re: Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online (George F Somsel)
>  10. Barabbas, son of a father (ronmacy at juno.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:26:57 -0700
> From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [B-Greek] JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU
> To: greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> JOHN 12:3 hH OUN MARIAM LABOUSA LITRAN MUROU NARDOU PISTIKHS POLUTIMOU
> HLEIYEN TOUS PODAS TOU IHSOU KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTHS TOUS PODAS
> AUTOU: hH DE OIKIA EPLHRWQH EK THS OSMHS TOU MUROU.
>
>
> ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTHS TOUS PODAS AUTOU:
>
> This is somewhat over encoded from the standpoint of referential
> identity both of the subject and the object. The use of AUTHS
> following MARIAM is unremarkable even though zero anaphora would also
> work here. The second TOUS PODAS isn't required to identify the
> referent.  In other words the clause might be reduced to one of the
> following:
>
>
> ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTOUS
> ... KAI EXEMAXEN  AUTOUS TAIS QRIXIN
>
> or perhaps even
>
>  ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN
>
> The repetition of TOUS PODAS might serve to draw added attention to
> the startling nature of the act being performed, assuming that it was
> startling in that time and culture.
>
> Elizabeth Kline
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:37:23 -0700
> From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU
> To: greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <6D36322A-41C2-4B84-A96E-614FCE911DF0 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
>
>> JOHN 12:3 hH OUN MARIAM LABOUSA LITRAN MUROU NARDOU PISTIKHS POLUTIMOU
>> HLEIYEN TOUS PODAS TOU IHSOU KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTHS TOUS PODAS
>> AUTOU: hH DE OIKIA EPLHRWQH EK THS OSMHS TOU MUROU.
>>
>>
>> ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTHS TOUS PODAS AUTOU:
>>
>> This is somewhat over encoded from the standpoint of referential
>> identity both of the subject and the object. The use of AUTHS
>> following MARIAM is unremarkable even though zero anaphora would also
>> work here. The second TOUS PODAS isn't required to identify the
>> referent.  In other words the clause might be reduced to one of the
>> following:
>>
>>
>> ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTOUS
>> ... KAI EXEMAXEN  AUTOUS TAIS QRIXIN
>>
>> or perhaps even
>>
>>  ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN
>>
>> The repetition of TOUS PODAS might serve to draw added attention to
>> the startling nature of the act being performed, assuming that it was
>> startling in that time and culture.
>
>
> Why is it that errors always become pefectly obvious after you have
> sent the post :-)
>
> AUTHS is genitive, so it is not the subject of verb, and for that
> reason it does serve a purpose here to qualify TAIS QRIXIN.
>
> Elizabeth Kline
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:17:13 -0700
> From: "Ross Assink" <ross.assink at gmail.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Acts 26:17
> To: <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <001a01c9a990$7b8ef140$ad0010ac at monicastoy>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I have been reading through Acts as of late and came across vs. 17 which 
> says,
>
> Act 26:17 ??????????????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???????, ???? ??? 
> ????? ?? ???????????
>
> Does the plural  ??? simply refer to the plural "Gentiles" or to both 
> "peoples" and "Gentiles"?
>
> thank you,
> Ross Assink
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:41:27 -0400
> From: Bert de Haan <dehaanaf at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] little problem
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID:
> <5362103d0903201241t248a406fo6fdd3d9543aac48e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I receive the digest version and Greek characters do show up.
> Bert de Haan
>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From:?frank boumphrey <koinebible at gmail.com>
>> To:?Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
>> Date:?Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:44:29 -0400
>> Subject:?Re: [B-Greek] little problem
>> FTR if you receive the digest version it is sent in UTF8, no Greek
>> characters will show
>> Also unless you have a specialized Greek font installed such as 
>> Aristarcoj,
>> it is not easy to type Greek Characters on an english Keyboard
>> Frank
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:51:44 -0400
> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 26:17
> To: Ross Assink <ross.assink at gmail.com>
> Cc: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <E4359DAE-559A-4F24-82C9-F5B815F2E90C at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> On Mar 20, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Ross Assink wrote:
>
>> I have been reading through Acts as of late and came across vs. 17
>> which says,
>>
>> Act 26:17 ??????????????? ?? ??? ????
>> ????? ???? ???? ???????, ???? ???
>> ????? ?? ???????????
>
> We were just talking about this: BG protocol requires that the Unicode
> Greek text be accompanied by a transliteration: EXAIROMENOS SE EK TOU
> LAOU KAI TWN EQNWN, EIS hOUS EGW SE APOSTELLW
>
>>
>> Does the plural  ??? simply refer to the plural "Gentiles" or to
>> both "peoples" and "Gentiles"?
>
> Most likely both: hOUS is masc. pl., whereas LAOU is masc. sg. and
> EQNWN is neut. pl.; I'd guess this is what's called a 'constuctio ad
> sensum.'
>
>
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:14:24 -0700
> From: "Ross Assink" <ross.assink at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 26:17
> To: <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <002d01c9a998$77aa1c50$ad0010ac at monicastoy>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Sorry about that, i'm new to the list.
> Thanks Sarah for the letter breakdown.
> Thanks Carl for the answer.
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Sarah Madden
>  To: Ross Assink
>  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:54 PM
>  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 26:17
>
>
>  Hi, Ross.
>  I can't read your Greek font for some reason. Others will send you more 
> detailed information on the B-Greek "standards" and even a Web site to 
> use. In addition to pasting in the Greek text, B-Greekers are asked to 
> transliterate the Greek into all-capped "English" letters. See below.
>
>  For example, John 1:1 looks like this:  EN ARCH HN hO LOGOS, KAI hO LOGOS 
> HN PROS THN QEON KAI QEOS HN hO LOGOS.
>
>  Below are the b-Greek letters I know (to indicate a rough breathing mark, 
> place a lower-case "h" before the vowel):
>
>  A = alpha
>  B = beta
>  G = gamma
>  D = delta
>
>  E = epsilon
>  Z = zeta
>  H = eta (Notice that B-Greek transliterates eta as an English "H" only 
> because it looks like an "H" in Greek)
>  Q - theta (same reason)
>
>  I = iota
>  K = kappa
>  L = lambda
>  M - mu
>
>  N = nu
>   = xi (I can't remember this one, but it's pronounced "ksee" -- it's 
> probably an English "X")
>  O = omicron
>  P = pi
>
>  R = rho
>  S = sigma (for both sigmas)
>  T = tau
>  U = upsilon
>
>  F = phi
>  C = chi
>  Y = psi (because of the look of an English "Y," not its sound)
>  W = omega (same reason)
>
>  Sarah ><>
>  Maryland
>  sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
>
>
>  On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Ross Assink <ross.assink at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>    I have been reading through Acts as of late and came across vs. 17 
> which says,
>
>    Act 26:17 ??????????????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???????, ???? ??? 
> ????? ?? ???????????
>
>    Does the plural  ??? simply refer to the plural "Gentiles" or to both 
> "peoples" and "Gentiles"?
>
>    thank you,
>    Ross Assink
>    ---
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>
>
>
>  -- 
>  Sarah ><>
>  sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
>  work: 301.429.8189
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:05:56 -0400
> From: "jerry" <gerald_davis at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU
> To: "B-Greek" <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY120-DS4BF22B145AEC302C777CCE0940 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I am convinced it is physics, the Copenhagen interpretation.  It is said
> that the problem with Quantum Entanglement is not epistemological but
> ontological.*
>
> jerry
>
>
> * SciAm March '09
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Elizabeth Kline" <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:37 PM
> To: "greek B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU
>
>>
>> Why is it that errors always become pefectly obvious after you have
>> sent the post :-)
>>
>> Elizabeth Kline
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:19:02 -0400
> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online
> To: B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc: Zack Hubert <zhubert at zhubert.com>
> Message-ID: <AD6C5F6D-ECC3-4923-A304-8C2AE32917CD at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> See the announcement on the "Biblical Studies and Technological Tools"
> blog:
>
> http://bibleandtech.blogspot.com/2009/03/zhubert-regreek-goes-offline.html
> = http://tinyurl.com/dh49ut
>
> and the briefer note at the zhubert.com site itself:
>
> http://zhubert.com/
>
> This is a big blow to many a student of Biblical texts in the original
> languages. For B-Greekers, a secondary (tertiary?) inconvenience is
> that one could always go there for a quick recoding of a Biblical
> Greek text in the standard B-Greek transliteration scheme. That too is
> lost. Evidently the fundamental problem is that the text employed as
> provided by James Tauber's MorphGNT is under copyright. Without that
> text the whole functionality of the site collapses.
>
> As Robert El Lee is reported to have muttered repeaedly while
> withdrawing from the battle site at Gettysburg, "Too bad! Too bad! ...
> " Not that I wish the battle had turned out otherwise, but Lee's sense
> of the magnitude of the loss of that battle can be appreciated by
> those who will miss the zhubert.com site.
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Co-Chair, B-Greek List
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu or cwconrad2 at mac.com
> WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:30:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online
> To: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>, B-Greek B-Greek
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc: Zack Hubert <zhubert at zhubert.com>
> Message-ID: <747042.16210.qm at web38507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> While I never did more that make a few visits to determine what was 
> available, I am sorry to see that those who?have found it useful will no 
> longer have it as?a resource.? I, of course, have other resources through 
> my Logos software.? The one thing that I might have used like everyone 
> else is the transliteration, but I?always did my own transliteration 
> although it is in a (very slightly) idiosyncratic form.? RIP?zhubert.com.
> ?george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> ? search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
>
> - Jan Hus
> _________
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> To: B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc: Zack Hubert <zhubert at zhubert.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:19:02 AM
> Subject: [B-Greek] Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online
>
> See the announcement on the "Biblical Studies and Technological Tools"?
> blog:
>
> http://bibleandtech.blogspot.com/2009/03/zhubert-regreek-goes-offline.html
> = http://tinyurl.com/dh49ut
>
> and the briefer note at the zhubert.com site itself:
>
> http://zhubert.com/
>
> This is a big blow to many a student of Biblical texts in the original?
> languages. For B-Greekers, a secondary (tertiary?) inconvenience is?
> that one could always go there for a quick recoding of a Biblical?
> Greek text in the standard B-Greek transliteration scheme. That too is?
> lost. Evidently the fundamental problem is that the text employed as?
> provided by James Tauber's MorphGNT is under copyright. Without that?
> text the whole functionality of the site collapses.
>
> As Robert El Lee is reported to have muttered repeaedly while?
> withdrawing from the battle site at Gettysburg, "Too bad! Too bad! ...?
> " Not that I wish the battle had turned out otherwise, but Lee's sense?
> of the magnitude of the loss of that battle can be appreciated by?
> those who will miss the zhubert.com site.
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Co-Chair, B-Greek List
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu or cwconrad2 at mac.com
> WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/
>
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:48:09 GMT
> From: "ronmacy at juno.com" <ronmacy at juno.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Barabbas, son of a father
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <20090321.084809.17906.0 at webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Greetings,
>
> I was thinking about a pre-Easter sermon and looking at the release of 
> Barabbas by Pilate.
>
> I was wondering about the meaning of Barabbas. One dictionary has the 
> meaning as "son of a father." It struck me that it might suggest one who 
> is illegitimate. I was thinking of the contrast between Barabbas (who's 
> your daddy?) and Jesus (the Christ, the son of David).
>
> Is there any possiblity to this meaning or am I just seeing it through 
> smoke and mirrors?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron Macy
> Pastor DeKalb (IL) Advent Christian Church
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