[B-Greek] FW: A question to Dr. Buth and his school's teaching methodology (And How to say Hello / Goodebye)

Louis Sorenson llsorenson at hotmail.com
Tue Mar 31 23:12:50 EDT 2009


It seems  Dr. Buths comments to Kyle confirm my original thoughts - is ERROSO a modern Greek term brought into Koine.  I don't recall reading "Errwso" in any Koine or Attic readings used in the same way as such.  

XAIRE KYLE
ERRWSAI?
EI EY EXEIW GNWQI OTI KAGW ERRWMAI
PWS TI OYN XRH EN PRAGMASI?
EI QELEIS MAQEIN TA XRWMATA DEI SE EKSERXESQAI
EKSW THS KAINHS DIAQHKHS.
WS KSANQON KAI KYANOYN.
ERRWSO
IwANHS


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RE:FWD from Mark Lightman:

How indeed would one say in Greek "You say goodbye, 
I say Hello." (by the Beatles)

LEGEIS MEN ERRWSO
EGW D'ASPAZOMAI
ASPAZOMAI
APORW TO ERRWSO
ALL' ASPAZOMAI
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Also in regards to Kyle's questions regarding how to speak conversationally like done in normal "polite" language classes - not action driven ones where Koine Greek speakers are trying to attack each other with MACHAIRA (as in one of the pictures on Dr. Buth's website.  FYI - It seems to me that half of the Iliad is nothing but blood and guts.)  I recently ordered a bunch of Modern Greek "Phrase books/Travel phrase books" which have all those words and sayings that a tourist to Greece would use.  I would like to have a list of statements which are used in everyday life.  I, as Kyle, find that there are large gaps in what I would know had I been speaking Greek in an every day scenario or classroom situation.  

I suppose in Dr. Buth's class, you have statements like:



Pick up your pen.

Open to the first page in your syllabus.

What is on our list of things (i.e. "agenda") of things to do today.

You said that incorrectly.

Come tommorrow at 9:00 a.m.

Where did you go to school?

What time does the clock say?

et. al......



Most of the modern phrase books do not have a "school" (i.e.
Biblical-Ulpan setting) in mind, so there are many phrases in used in a
modern classroom which would not be in the Modern Greek phrase books. 
But what I am looking for is a list of statments in English which would
be used in most classrooms utilizing a "Spoken Koine cirriculm".  Also
would be needed is the normal student-to-student chatter that happens
in classrooms.  




I have found the same to be true in trying to compose songs in Greek.  The most common phrases and words used in English elude me why I try to say them in Koine. It is like some of them are never used in the New Testament.  The next time you are singing or hearing a song, try to translate some of the words into Koine. It is not as easy as it sounds.  (BTW - I'm adding the song "Never Gonna Stop" - by Tommy Walker to the Modern Songs and Hymns in Koine on the letsreadgreek website (http://www.letsreadgreek.com/songs).  If you do not verbally internalize Greek, you will find that when trying to sing songs (for a person who comes from a read-only background), you will find that totally incorrect forms will come out of your mouth that you think are correct - but are wrong, either in form, tense, person, mood or some other aspect.  This seldom happened when I had Modern Hebrew 20 years ago - and if it did, I had a sense that I said something incorrectly.  With Koine, I can remain totally unaware of major blunders that even a child would catch - In my head I think one thing, but my mouth produces something else, and my head says my words are saying what they are supposed to say - If I had someone next to me saying "No, it is said this way", I would catch it right away.  But there is no one next to me correcting me, so I am left to my own sense of "Good Koine / Bad Koine" to correct my truances.






XAIRE KYLE
ERRWSAI?
EI EY EXEIW GNWQI OTI KAGW ERRWMAI
PWS TI OYN XRH EN PRAGMASI?
EI QELEIS MAQEIN TA XRWMATA DEI SE EKSERXESQAI
EKSW THS KAINHS DIAQHKHS.
WS KSANQON KAI KYANOYN.
ERRWSO
IwANHS

From: llsorenson at hotmail.com
To: lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] You say Goodbye and I say Hello in Greek (was Songs in Koine)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:05:01 -0500








Does ερρωσο (Randall Buth's sign-off) mean "Goodbye"?  I always assume it meant something like "take heart".  

Louis

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:14:54 -0700
From: lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] You say Goodbye and I say Hello in Greek (was Songs in Koine)
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; llsorenson at hotmail.com



--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Louis Sorenson <llsorenson at hotmail.com> wrote:
 
How indeed would one say in Greek "You say goodbye, 
I say Hello." (by the Beatles)
 
λεγεις μεν ερρωσο
εγω δ'ασπαζομαι
ασπαζομαι
απορω το ερρωσο
αλλ' ασπαζομαι
 
LEGEIS MEN ERRWSO
EGW D'ASPAZOMAI
ASPAZOMAI
APORW TO ERRWSO
ALL' ASPAZOMAI
 
If you sing it with MG pronounciation, the fourth line
rhymes, like the original.  I'm serious that someone should
try to post an audio version of stuff like this.  I would do it myself,
but I have a singing voice fit for the movies.  The silent movies. 
 
Mark L 
 



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