[B-Greek] 1Co11:17 TOUTO DE PARAGGELLWN

Steven Cox stevencox_backonbgreek at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Sep 4 08:37:19 EDT 2009


 
PS - Who is Alf?

> If TOUTO refers to what follows, some definite command should follow it [Alf].
 
Really? Was the Herodotus use of PARAGGELLW 'to announce' defunct at this point? (will check Perseus after lunch). If not then casting back (headcoverings) or forward (eat at home, take communion together, examine yourselves are definite commands) supplies commands. Either way it's not part of the "praise not" sentence.
 

--- On Thu, 3/9/09, Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org> wrote:


From: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1Co11:17 TOUTO DE PARAGGELLWN
To: "Steven Cox" <stevencox_backonbgreek at yahoo.co.uk>, "BG" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Thursday, 3 September, 2009, 8:41 PM


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Subject: [B-Greek] 1Co11:17 TOUTO DE PARAGGELLWN



I must apologize in advance because I'm sure I'm about to ask a redundant
question. I've been up a ladder painting the eaves all afternoon and my brain
isn't firing on all four cylinders.

1Co11:2 EPAINW DE UMAS OTI PANTA MOU MEMNHSQE...

1Co11:17 TOUTO DE PARAGGELLWN OUK EPAINW OTI OUK EIS TO KREISSON ALLA EIS TO
HSSON SUNERCESQE

I'd read TOUTO DE PARAGGELLWN as meaning "now in this [new] subject I don't
praise you.... And I seem to be supported by the brackets in the Elberfelder "In
dem ich aber dieses (d. h. das was folgt) vorschreibe.." = (i.e. that which
follows)

But I've just bumped into p.155 of Leon Morris' 1Corinthians where he is
somewhat assertive that : "'commanding you this'...would naturally refer to the
preceding (cf. NEB in 'giving these injunctions')"
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It may be of interest to compare with other initial TOUTO DE's in the letter:

1 Co 7:6 TOUTO DE LEGW...
1 Co 7:29 TOUTO DE FHMI
1 Co 7:35 TOUTO DE ... LEGW
1 Co 11:17 TOUTO DE PARAGGELLW OUK EPAINW
1 Co 15:50 TOUTO DE FHMI

Of these 5, the TOUTO in numbers 1 and 3 IMO refer to the preceding context,
while the other 3 refer to the following context. This is also how most English
versions have taken it - against Morris.

Commentators are more evenly divided than the translations:

"1. It refers to what follows [AB, EGT, MNTC, NIC2, NTC, TH, Vn; CEV, ISV, NAB,
NET, NIV, NLT, NRSV, TEV]. This verse constitutes a complete break with the
preceding section. There Paul praised them (11:2). Here he does not praise them.
Also the second half of the verse gives the content of why he does not praise
them. The direction is forward not back [NTC].
2. It refers to what precedes [Alf, Ed, Gdt, HNTC, ICC, Lns, My, NIC, Rb, TNTC;
NJB, REB, TNT]. TOUTO 'this' refers to the warning in 11:16 and would mean
'Giving you this warning I do not praise you (about the following)' [Gdt]. If
TOUTO refers to what follows, some definite command should follow it [Alf]. It
refers not to 11:16 as there is no command there, but to 11:2-16 [NIC]."

Iver Larsen




      


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