[B-Greek] 1Cor. 11:4 "something on his head"
Sarah Madden
sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
Sat Sep 5 13:15:15 EDT 2009
Larry --
In 1 Cor 11:4, wouldn't EXWN be referring back to the subject of the
sentence (ANHR), and thus be masculine? If I were diagramming this sentence
in Greek, I would place ECWN on a terrace below ANHR if I'm understanding
this currectly and KATA KEFALHS as the direct object of ECWN. Just a
thought.
PAS ANHR PROSEUCOMENOS H PROFHTEUWN KATA KEFALHS ECWN KATAISCUNEI THN
KEFALHN OUTOU.
Sarah Madden
Maryland
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Lawrence Carmichael <
lawrencecarmichael at yahoo.com> wrote:
> After re-reading your answer, I'm even more appreciative of it.
>
> In Esther 6:12 the LXX uses KATA KEPHALHS to translate "head covered".
>
> If you could bear with me for one more question? ECWN is a masculine
> participle. If KEPHALHS is feminine, why is ECWN masculine?
>
> Does it agree with the understood "something"?
> Does it agree with something else?
> Did I just plain miss the obvious?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Carmichael
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> To: Lawrence Carmichael <lawrencecarmichael at yahoo.com>
> Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 2:45:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1Cor. 11:4 "something on his head"
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Lawrence Carmichael wrote:
>
> > English translations insert the idea of "something" into the text. One
> commentator said it was "understood"' Is there any reason "KATA KEPHALES
> ECHON" can't be translated "having his head down"?
>
>
> Yes, there is. KEFALHS is genitive; it cannot be the object of ECWN; as a
> genitive it is governed by the preposition KATA.
> To be the object of ECWN , the word KEFALH would have to be in the
> accusative case. Moreover, there's no instance of KATA used independently as
> an adverb
>
> KATA with the genitive, when it does not mean "against," means "down FROM."
>
> Text:
> 1Cor. 11:4 πᾶς ἀνὴρ προσευχόμενος ἢ προφητεύων κατὰ κεφαλῆς ἔχων
> καταισχύνει τὴν κεφαλὴν αὐτοῦ.
> 1Cor. 11:4 PAS ANHR PROSEUCOMENOS H PROFHTEUWN KATA KEFALHS ECWN
> KATAISCUNEI THN KEFALHN AUTOU.
>
> Here's the relevant entry from BDAG:
>
> 1. marker of extension or orientation in space or specific area
> a. of location that is relatively lower, down from someth. (Hom. et
> al.; LXX; Ath. 1, 4 κ. κόρρης προπηλακίζειν [KORRHS PRPHLAKIZEIN] =t o smack
> on one side of the head) ὁρμᾶν κ. τοῦ κρημνοῦ [hORMAN KATA TOU KRHMNOU] rush
> down (from) the bank (cp. Polyb. 38, 16, 7 κ. τῶν κρημνῶν ῥίπτειν; [TWN
> KRHMNWN hRIPTEIN] Jos., Bell. 1, 313) Mt 8:32; Mk 5:13; Lk 8:33. κ. κεφαλῆς
> ἔχειν [KATA KEFALHS ECEIN] have someth. on one’s head (lit. hanging down fr.
> the head, as a veil. Cp. Plut., Mor. 200f ἐβάδιζε κ. τῆς κεφαλῆς ἔχων τὸ
> ἱμάτιον [EBADIZE KATA THS KEFALHS ECWN TO hIMATION].; Mitt-Wilck. I/2, 499,
> 5 of a mummy ἔχων τάβλαν κ. τοῦ τραχήλου [ECWN TABLAN KATA TOU TRACHLOU]) 1
> Cor 11:4.
>
> And here's the relevant entry from Louw & Nida:
>
> 49.16 κατακαλύπτομαι [KATAKALUPTOMAI]; κατὰ κεφαλῆς ἔχω [KATA KEFALHS ECW]
> [(an idiom, literally ‘to have down on the head’): to wear a covering over
> one’s head — ‘to have one’s head covered, to cover one’s head.’
> κατακαλύπτομαι: εἰ γὰρ οὐ κατακαλύπτεται γυνή [KATAKALUPTOMAI: EI GAR OU
> KATAKALUPTETAI GUNH] ‘for if a woman does not have her head covered’ 1Cor
> 11:6.
> κατὰ κεφαλῆς ἔχω [: πᾶς ἀνὴρ προσευχόμενος ἢ προφητεύων κατὰ κεφαλῆς ἔχων
> [PAS ANHR PROSEUCOMENOS H PROFHTEUWN KATA KEFALHS ECWN] ‘any man who prays
> or prophesies with his head covered’ 1Cor 11:4
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>
>
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