[B-Greek] Job 13:20 χρήσῃ [CRHSHi]

Tom Moore tom at katabiblon.com
Mon Sep 21 18:18:12 EDT 2009


CRAOMAI makes sense to me now. BDAG (s.v. CRAOMAI 1 a) has "Of law...tois nomois, live in accordance with the laws", which seems the right fit for the context: "you will live in accordance with two things for me: withdraw your hand from me, and let fear of you not terrify me."

Thanks,
Tom


>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
>  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Job 13:20 χρήσῃ [CRHSHi]
>  Sent: Sep 21 '09 21:49
>  
>  
>  On Sep 21, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Carl Conrad wrote:
>  
>  >
>  > On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Tom Moore wrote:
>  >
>  >> Job 13:20:
>  >> δυεῖν δέ μοι χρήσῃ τότε ἀπὸ τοῦ
>  >> προσώπου σου οὐ κρυβήσομαι
>  >> DUEIN DE MOI CRHSHi TOTE APO TOU PROSWPOU SOU KRUBHSOMAI
>  >>
>  >> Brenton translates: "But grant to me two things; then I will not
>  >> hide myself from thy face."
>  >> NETSS translates: "But you shall indulge me in two things: then I
>  >> will not hide myself from your face."
>  Not to be overlooked is that (as NETS makes clear) the two clauses you  
>  cite are not continuous text. The first clause belongs to the Old  
>  Greek text of Job, while the second one is a line from Theodotion.  
>  Thus the colon at the end of the first clause presupposes v. 21, not  
>  the intrusive line from Theodotion. Thus the Old Greek text reads: But  
>  you shall indulge me in two things: withdraw your hand from me, and  
>  let fear of you not terrify me.
>  
>  Al
>  
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> What word is CRHSHi: KICRHMI or CRAOMAI? What is its parsing?
>  >
>  > CRHSHi from CRAOMAI
>  > 2 sg. fut. middle
>  >
>  >
>  > CRAOMAI is a verb that is so idiosyncratically idiomatic that one
>  > really needs to see it in a whole slew of instances to get a good grip
>  > on it.
>  > BDAG has a pretty good accounting of it; one should also read
>  > carefully through the entire LSJ entry (under χράω CRAW).
>  > It means pretty much what the French verb "se servir de" means: "take
>  > advantage of, make use of, avail oneself of, associate with, deal with
>  > (i.e. do business with ...) "
>  >
>  >>
>  >> Assuming KICRHMI means "lend/furnish with" and CRAOMAI means "use",
>  >> it looks to me like a middle-passive of KICRHMI (2nd sg, either fut
>  >> ind or 1aor sub), but if KICRHMI, I'm confused why it isn't active
>  >> voice.
>  >
>  > KICRHMI is really the same verb: the active causative of a verb that
>  > is fundamentally middle.
>  >
>  > DUEIN is interesting; it's evidently the phonetic spelling of what is
>  > ordinarily DUOIN, the old genitive/dative form; here the OI is  
>  > itacized.
>  >
>  > Carl W. Conrad
>  > Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>  >
>  >
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