[B-Greek] Job 13:20 χρήσῃ [CRHSHi]
Tom Moore
tom at katabiblon.com
Mon Sep 21 18:18:12 EDT 2009
CRAOMAI makes sense to me now. BDAG (s.v. CRAOMAI 1 a) has "Of law...tois nomois, live in accordance with the laws", which seems the right fit for the context: "you will live in accordance with two things for me: withdraw your hand from me, and let fear of you not terrify me."
Thanks,
Tom
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Job 13:20 χρήσῃ [CRHSHi]
> Sent: Sep 21 '09 21:49
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Carl Conrad wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Tom Moore wrote:
> >
> >> Job 13:20:
> >> δυεῖν δέ μοι χρήσῃ τότε ἀπὸ τοῦ
> >> προσώπου σου οὐ κρυβήσομαι
> >> DUEIN DE MOI CRHSHi TOTE APO TOU PROSWPOU SOU KRUBHSOMAI
> >>
> >> Brenton translates: "But grant to me two things; then I will not
> >> hide myself from thy face."
> >> NETSS translates: "But you shall indulge me in two things: then I
> >> will not hide myself from your face."
> Not to be overlooked is that (as NETS makes clear) the two clauses you
> cite are not continuous text. The first clause belongs to the Old
> Greek text of Job, while the second one is a line from Theodotion.
> Thus the colon at the end of the first clause presupposes v. 21, not
> the intrusive line from Theodotion. Thus the Old Greek text reads: But
> you shall indulge me in two things: withdraw your hand from me, and
> let fear of you not terrify me.
>
> Al
>
> >>
> >>
> >> What word is CRHSHi: KICRHMI or CRAOMAI? What is its parsing?
> >
> > CRHSHi from CRAOMAI
> > 2 sg. fut. middle
> >
> >
> > CRAOMAI is a verb that is so idiosyncratically idiomatic that one
> > really needs to see it in a whole slew of instances to get a good grip
> > on it.
> > BDAG has a pretty good accounting of it; one should also read
> > carefully through the entire LSJ entry (under χράω CRAW).
> > It means pretty much what the French verb "se servir de" means: "take
> > advantage of, make use of, avail oneself of, associate with, deal with
> > (i.e. do business with ...) "
> >
> >>
> >> Assuming KICRHMI means "lend/furnish with" and CRAOMAI means "use",
> >> it looks to me like a middle-passive of KICRHMI (2nd sg, either fut
> >> ind or 1aor sub), but if KICRHMI, I'm confused why it isn't active
> >> voice.
> >
> > KICRHMI is really the same verb: the active causative of a verb that
> > is fundamentally middle.
> >
> > DUEIN is interesting; it's evidently the phonetic spelling of what is
> > ordinarily DUOIN, the old genitive/dative form; here the OI is
> > itacized.
> >
> > Carl W. Conrad
> > Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> >
> >
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