[B-Greek] Job 13:20 χρήσῃ [CRHSHi]
Albert Pietersma
albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Mon Sep 21 19:09:52 EDT 2009
You are thus suggesting that NETS Job 13:20 be amended to "you will
live in accordance with two things for me"?
Al
On Sep 21, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Tom Moore wrote:
> CRAOMAI makes sense to me now. BDAG (s.v. CRAOMAI 1 a) has "Of
> law...tois nomois, live in accordance with the laws", which seems
> the right fit for the context: "you will live in accordance with two
> things for me: withdraw your hand from me, and let fear of you not
> terrify me."
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
>> -------Original Message-------
>> From: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Job 13:20 χρήσῃ [CRHSHi]
>> Sent: Sep 21 '09 21:49
>>
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Carl Conrad wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Tom Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Job 13:20:
>>>> δυεῖν δέ μοι χρήσῃ τότε ἀπὸ τοῦ
>>>> προσώπου σου οὐ κρυβήσομαι
>>>> DUEIN DE MOI CRHSHi TOTE APO TOU PROSWPOU SOU KRUBHSOMAI
>>>>
>>>> Brenton translates: "But grant to me two things; then I will not
>>>> hide myself from thy face."
>>>> NETSS translates: "But you shall indulge me in two things: then I
>>>> will not hide myself from your face."
>> Not to be overlooked is that (as NETS makes clear) the two clauses
>> you
>> cite are not continuous text. The first clause belongs to the Old
>> Greek text of Job, while the second one is a line from Theodotion.
>> Thus the colon at the end of the first clause presupposes v. 21, not
>> the intrusive line from Theodotion. Thus the Old Greek text reads:
>> But
>> you shall indulge me in two things: withdraw your hand from me, and
>> let fear of you not terrify me.
>>
>> Al
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What word is CRHSHi: KICRHMI or CRAOMAI? What is its parsing?
>>>
>>> CRHSHi from CRAOMAI
>>> 2 sg. fut. middle
>>>
>>>
>>> CRAOMAI is a verb that is so idiosyncratically idiomatic that one
>>> really needs to see it in a whole slew of instances to get a good
>>> grip
>>> on it.
>>> BDAG has a pretty good accounting of it; one should also read
>>> carefully through the entire LSJ entry (under χράω CRAW).
>>> It means pretty much what the French verb "se servir de" means:
>>> "take
>>> advantage of, make use of, avail oneself of, associate with, deal
>>> with
>>> (i.e. do business with ...) "
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Assuming KICRHMI means "lend/furnish with" and CRAOMAI means "use",
>>>> it looks to me like a middle-passive of KICRHMI (2nd sg, either fut
>>>> ind or 1aor sub), but if KICRHMI, I'm confused why it isn't active
>>>> voice.
>>>
>>> KICRHMI is really the same verb: the active causative of a verb that
>>> is fundamentally middle.
>>>
>>> DUEIN is interesting; it's evidently the phonetic spelling of what
>>> is
>>> ordinarily DUOIN, the old genitive/dative form; here the OI is
>>> itacized.
>>>
>>> Carl W. Conrad
>>> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>>>
>>>
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