[B-Greek] Semantic Space (was Charts of Forms should be real words)

Randall Buth randallbuth at gmail.com
Sat Sep 26 18:59:29 EDT 2009


On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Randall,
>
> egrapsas:
>
> <χράομαι is not a real word,
> χρῶμαι is.>
>
> I can think of two reasons why CRAOMAI
> is just as real a word as CRWMAI.
>
> 1.  Homer sometimes contracts these
> words and sometimes does not.  I don't
> know if CRAOMAI or CRAETAI or
> AGAPAOMEN occurs in Homer or
> not.  Without looking anything up, it
> seems like EW words are left uncontracted
> more often than AW words, but even this
> does not matter.


It does matter.
The class of XRHSQAI and AGAPAN  was basically
already contracted in Homer's day. Why would one reintroduce
it into a language 7+ centuries later?


>
> The point is that Homer
> or his brother-in-law COULD have used
> CRAOMAI or something similar that we
> might say is not a real word.

What Homer might've could've done should not be the basis
of a dialect/language for KOINH.

 ...


>
> 2.  On Dialogos we had a real discussion of
> whether it is okay to use CRAOMAI with the
> accusative.  Maybe it would have been more precise
> to use the contracted form, or, as you have argued
> elsewhere, to use the infinitive, but no one had
> any problem following the discussion.

What do you want to internalize?
 I recommend
XRHSQAI + TINI
XRWMAI + TINI

I can't imagine a KOINH speaker with anything else in their
head.

I can't imagine a KOINH speaker with anything else in their
head except contracted -a- verbs and -o- verbs. (I reserve
the right for the Lucian's of the world to speak neo-Ionic as
they wish. But I am not tyring to speak Ionic or modern but
Roman period KOINH.)

Dionysios Thrax listed his word as BOW BOAS BOAI (and said
not to pronounce the I). A good precedent from  a  MT speaker of
language.

. . .


>
>  If your argument is that
> a given form of a word is more USEFUL, then maybe
> okay...
> FWSFOROS MARKOS


Yes, I argue that training someone to apply contract rules to a base
form is a formula to block fluency.



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