[B-Greek] Semantic Space (was Charts of Forms should be real words)
Randall Buth
randallbuth at gmail.com
Sat Sep 26 18:59:29 EDT 2009
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Randall,
>
> egrapsas:
>
> <χράομαι is not a real word,
> χρῶμαι is.>
>
> I can think of two reasons why CRAOMAI
> is just as real a word as CRWMAI.
>
> 1. Homer sometimes contracts these
> words and sometimes does not. I don't
> know if CRAOMAI or CRAETAI or
> AGAPAOMEN occurs in Homer or
> not. Without looking anything up, it
> seems like EW words are left uncontracted
> more often than AW words, but even this
> does not matter.
It does matter.
The class of XRHSQAI and AGAPAN was basically
already contracted in Homer's day. Why would one reintroduce
it into a language 7+ centuries later?
>
> The point is that Homer
> or his brother-in-law COULD have used
> CRAOMAI or something similar that we
> might say is not a real word.
What Homer might've could've done should not be the basis
of a dialect/language for KOINH.
...
>
> 2. On Dialogos we had a real discussion of
> whether it is okay to use CRAOMAI with the
> accusative. Maybe it would have been more precise
> to use the contracted form, or, as you have argued
> elsewhere, to use the infinitive, but no one had
> any problem following the discussion.
What do you want to internalize?
I recommend
XRHSQAI + TINI
XRWMAI + TINI
I can't imagine a KOINH speaker with anything else in their
head.
I can't imagine a KOINH speaker with anything else in their
head except contracted -a- verbs and -o- verbs. (I reserve
the right for the Lucian's of the world to speak neo-Ionic as
they wish. But I am not tyring to speak Ionic or modern but
Roman period KOINH.)
Dionysios Thrax listed his word as BOW BOAS BOAI (and said
not to pronounce the I). A good precedent from a MT speaker of
language.
. . .
>
> If your argument is that
> a given form of a word is more USEFUL, then maybe
> okay...
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
Yes, I argue that training someone to apply contract rules to a base
form is a formula to block fluency.
--
Randall Buth, PhD
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