[B-Greek] Semantic Space (was Charts of Forms should be real words)
Randall Buth
randallbuth at gmail.com
Sun Sep 27 06:45:55 EDT 2009
The following is a short "PostScript"
to a post in order to bring an 'absolute' example to the discussion.
>> Hi Randall,
>>
>> egrapsas:
>>
>>> χράομαι is not a real word,
>>> χρῶμαι is.>
>>
>> I can think of two reasons why CRAOMAI
>> is just as real a word as CRWMAI.
>>
>> 1. Homer sometimes contracts these
>> words and sometimes does not. I don't
>> know if CRAOMAI or CRAETAI or
>> AGAPAOMEN occurs in Homer or
>> not.
...
You try to make *XRAOMAI sound acceptable when you
don't know if it existed even once in the whole history of the
Greek language. why bother? it will only hinder your
Koine and Attic fluency.
>
>
> It does matter.
> The class of XRHSQAI and AGAPAN was basically
> already contracted in Homer's day. Why would one reintroduce
> it into a language 7+ centuries later?
>
Why not take the verb DHLWSAI DHLOYN as a example?
DHLOW and DHLOEI are
n o t
real words, by anybody, ever,
but DHLW and DHLOI are real words.
Smyth, "Verbs in -ow never appear in their uncontracted forms
in any author."
DHLOW is not a real word and demonstrates how students are
traditionally trained to learn "unreal words" that then apply an
analytical rule in order to form a usable word.
>
> What Homer might've could've done should not be the basis
> of a dialect/language for KOINH.
>
...
>
> What do you want to internalize?
> I recommend
> XRHSQAI + TINI
> XRWMAI + TINI
>
> I can't imagine a KOINH speaker with anything else in their
> head.
>
> I can't imagine a KOINH speaker with anything else in their
> head except contracted -a- verbs and -o- verbs.
. . .
> Dionysios Thrax listed his word as BOW BOAS BOAI (and said
> not to pronounce the I). A good precedent from a MT speaker of
> language.
>
> . . .
>
>
>>
>> If your argument is that
>> a given form of a word is more USEFUL, then maybe
>> okay...
>> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
>
> Yes, I argue that training someone to apply contract rules to a base
> form is a formula to block fluency.
and this applies to all three, -e- , -a-, -o-
>
>
> --
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> randallbuth at gmail.com
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>
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