[B-Greek] Punctuation of John 9:3-4
George F Somsel
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Sun Sep 27 00:55:11 EDT 2009
It hasn't been mentioned, but you should consider the nature of the word ἀλλά [ALLA or simply ALL']. This indicates a contrast, almost exclusively with what was previously mentioned. Generally sentences do not begin with ἀλλά [ALLA].
george
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From: "Daniel, Robert S" <rob.daniel at hp.com>
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:49:20 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Punctuation of John 9:3-4
Thanks for the input on this, everybody. I have a much better understanding of why the period is placed where it is in the Greek editions and translations. There does seem to be a strong case for putting it there.
Rob
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From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Kline
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Punctuation of John 9:3-4
John 9:2 καὶ ἠρώτησαν αὐτὸν οἱ μαθηταὶ
αὐτοῦ λέγοντες· ῥαββί, τίς ἥμαρτεν,
οὗτος ἢ οἱ γονεῖς αὐτοῦ, ἵνα τυφλὸς
γεννηθῇ; 3 ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς· οὔτε
οὗτος ἥμαρτεν οὔτε οἱ γονεῖς αὐτοῦ,
ἀλλ᾿ ἵνα φανερωθῇ τὰ ἔργα τοῦ θεοῦ
ἐν αὐτῷ. 4 ἡμᾶς δεῖ ἐργάζεσθαι τὰ
ἔργα τοῦ πέμψαντός με ἕως ἡμέρα
ἐστίν· ἔρχεται νὺξ ὅτε οὐδεὶς
δύναται ἐργάζεσθαι.
JOHN 9:2 KAI HRWTHSAN AUTON hOI MAQHTAI AUTOU LEGONTES· hRABBI, TIS
hHMARTEN, hOUTOS H hOI GONEIS AUTOU, hINA TUFLOS GENNHQHi; 3 APEKRIQH
IHSOUS· OUTE hOUTOS hHMARTEN OUTE hOI GONEIS AUTOU, ALL᾿ hINA
FANERWQHi TA ERGA TOU QEOU EN AUTWi. 4 hHMAS DEI ERGAZESQAI TA ERGA
TOU PEMYANTOS ME hEWS hHMERA ESTIN· ERCETAI NUX hOTE OUDEIS DUNATAI
ERGAZESQAI.
.
On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Sarah Madden wrote:
.
> I'm surprised no one has commented on the OUTE ... OUTE (neither ...
> nor)
> construction, nor on the dependent INA ("in order that") phrase, nor
> on the
> words EN AUTW ("in him"). For me, these elements indicate that all
> of the
> words from APEKRIQH through AUTW are related to each other and
> complete the
> same thought/sentence.
.
Sarah,
I agree. We see here a well formed structure and semantically cohesive
sentence OUTE ... OUTE ... hINA ... AUTWi. The topic under
discussion is TIS hHMARTEN; or why is this man blind? In verse four
there is a clear break in the thought, the question, why is this man
blind?, is completely dropped. In verse four we see a fronted pronoun
hHMAS the subject of DEI ERGAZESQAI introducing a general statement
that has little or nothing to do with the question of the disciples
TIS hHMARTEN;.
Elizabeth Kline
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