[B-Greek] Aspect of KATALLASSWN in 2Cor 5,19
Carl Conrad
cwconrad2 at mac.com
Sun Sep 27 09:35:43 EDT 2009
On Sep 27, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Peter Streitenberger wrote:
> Thank you, Mr. Conrad and Mr. Aubrey !
>
> Mr. Aubrey, you wrote:
>> When you say "aspect" are you referring to Aspect as a grammatical
>> category?
> The term "aspect", as we use it, gives information about how an
> activity is seen, e.g. perfective, imperfective and so on.
> The present tense represents an activity as still in progress, that
> means it's imperfective.
>
> Then you wrote:
>> when God was in Christ, the event was currently in progress without
>> reference to the beginning or the end.
>
> Mr. Conrad, you wrote:
>> I think the aspect of the participle, since it's present tense, is
>> simply "imperfective."
>
> My problem is, how to understand KATALLASSWN in 2Cor 5,19 as
> imperfective ?
> Is it really a Pauline concept that reconciliaton is a continuous
> process ?
I said in the first reply that HN KATALLASSWN is a periphrastic
construction, equivalent to an imperfect indicative, KATHLLASSEN. The
implication of the these forms is certainly that the reconciling
activity was a process; nothing is said about any completion of the
process, only that it was taking place EN CRISTWi.
Carl W. Conrad
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Aubrey
> To: Peter Streitenberger ; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Aspect of KATALLASSWN in 2Cor 5,19
>
>
> Peter
>
> When you say "aspect" are you referring to Aspect as a grammatical
> category? Or "aspect" as a perspective from which one might might
> view a given subject?
>
> In terms of Aspect the grammatical category, your only options are
> Perfective ("Aorist"), Imperfective ("Present" and "Imperfect"), &
> Stative* (Perfect and Pluperfect).
>
> *Stative as an aspectual label for the Perfect & Pluperfect is
> somewhat debated (only by a few). But everything else is thoroughly
> agreed upon.
>
> So since this is a "Present tense," it is imperfective.
>
> "present" indicative = +imperfective & +present time.
> "present" anything else = just +imperfective
>
> As for "aspect" as perspective for interpreting/translating the
> clause, I don't really know what to tell you. I don't really think
> those kinds of labels are terribly helpful. I would simply say that
> when God was in Christ, the event was currently in progress without
> reference to the beginning or the end. But that isn't so much an
> interpretive claim. It's simply what Imperfective Aspect as a
> grammatical category conveys.
>
> Mike Aubrey
> http://evepheso.wordpress.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Peter Streitenberger <ps2866 at bingo-ev.de>
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:31:53 AM
> Subject: [B-Greek] Aspect of KATALLASSWN in 2Cor 5,19
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> in 2Cor 5,19a we read: "hWS hOTI QEOS HN EN CRISTW KOSMON
> KATALLASSWN hEAUTW"
> I ask myself, what aspect the Present Participle KATALLASSWN
> expresses (maybe a gnomic idea) ?
>
> Thank you for any help
>
> Peter, Germany
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