[B-Greek] Aspect of KATALLASSWN in 2Cor 5,19

Eddie Mishoe edmishoe at yahoo.com
Sun Sep 27 09:31:26 EDT 2009


Peter

Read the next verse.

Eddie Mishoe

Pastor

--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Peter Streitenberger <ps2866 at bingo-ev.de> wrote:

From: Peter Streitenberger <ps2866 at bingo-ev.de>
Subject: [B-Greek] Aspect of KATALLASSWN in 2Cor 5,19
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 8:10 AM

Thank you, Mr. Conrad and Mr. Aubrey !

Mr. Aubrey, you wrote:
>When you say "aspect" are you referring to Aspect as a grammatical category?
The term "aspect", as we use it, gives information about how an activity is seen, e.g. perfective, imperfective and so on. 
The present tense represents an activity as still in progress, that means it's imperfective. 

Then you wrote:
>when God was in Christ, the event was currently in progress without reference to the beginning or the end.

Mr. Conrad, you wrote:
>I think the aspect of the participle, since it's present tense, is  simply "imperfective."

My problem is, how to understand KATALLASSWN in 2Cor 5,19 as imperfective ? 
Is it really a Pauline concept that reconciliaton is a continuous process ?   

Thank you for further help !

Yours 
Peter 

www.streitenberger.com


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Aubrey 
  To: Peter Streitenberger ; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org 
  Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Aspect of KATALLASSWN in 2Cor 5,19


  Peter

  When you say "aspect" are you referring to Aspect as a grammatical category? Or "aspect" as a perspective from which one might might view a given subject?

  In terms of Aspect the grammatical category, your only options are Perfective ("Aorist"), Imperfective ("Present" and "Imperfect"), & Stative* (Perfect and Pluperfect).

  *Stative as an aspectual label for the Perfect & Pluperfect is somewhat debated (only by a few). But everything else is thoroughly agreed upon.

  So since this is a "Present tense," it is imperfective.

  "present" indicative = +imperfective & +present time.
  "present" anything else = just +imperfective

  As for "aspect" as perspective for interpreting/translating the clause, I don't really know what to tell you. I don't really think those kinds of labels are terribly helpful. I would simply say that when God was in Christ, the event was currently in progress without reference to the beginning or the end. But that isn't so much an interpretive claim. It's simply what Imperfective Aspect as a grammatical category conveys.

  Mike Aubrey
  http://evepheso.wordpress.com




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  From: Peter Streitenberger <ps2866 at bingo-ev.de>
  To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
  Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:31:53 AM
  Subject: [B-Greek] Aspect of KATALLASSWN in 2Cor 5,19

  Dear Friends,

  in 2Cor 5,19a we read: "hWS hOTI QEOS HN EN CRISTW KOSMON KATALLASSWN hEAUTW"
  I ask myself, what aspect the Present Participle KATALLASSWN expresses (maybe a gnomic idea) ?

  Thank you for any help

  Peter, Germany 

  www.streitenberger.com
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