[B-Greek] Gen. 19:14

Vasile STANCU stancu at mail.dnttm.ro
Mon Sep 28 00:51:42 EDT 2009


Hello, Mark,

 

Thanks for the explanations; I just couldn’t assemble your statement into the context of what was being discussed. I see now...

 

Vasile

 

From: Mark Lightman [mailto:lightmanmark at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 5:21 AM
To: 'Herb Picoski'; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; Vasile STANCU
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] Gen. 19:14

 


Hi, Vasile,

 

Egrapsas:

 

<περὶ τίνος λέγεις τοῦτο; περὶ ἑαυτοῦ

 ἢ περὶ ἑτέρου τινός;>

 

I was speaking about Peter, who according to 1 Cor 9:5 used

to “take along” (PERIAGEIN) a wife during his ministry. 

In one of the Apocryphal Gospels, Peter says “I take my wife everywhere.  But she keeps coming back.”

 

< οἶδα τὸ λαλούμενον ἐν τῇ ἐπιστολῇ σου

ἐὰν μή τις ὁδηγήσει με.>

Let your guide be the Comic Muse who inspired

Meander if not Markos:  γαμος γαρ ανθρωποισι 

ευκταιον κακον.  GAMOS GAR ANQRWPOISI

EUKTAION KAKON.  Cf 1 Cor 7.

 

ERRWSO, FILE



Mark L


FWSFOROS MARKOS

--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Vasile STANCU <stancu at mail.dnttm.ro> wrote:


From: Vasile STANCU <stancu at mail.dnttm.ro>
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] Gen. 19:14
To: "'Mark Lightman'" <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>, "'Herb Picoski'" <pic3lite at telus.net>, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 4:55 PM

Δέομαί σου, ὦ Μάρκε, περὶ τίνος λέγεις τοῦτο; περὶ ἑαυτοῦ ἢ περὶ ἑτέρου τινός; οὐ γὰρ οἶδα τὸ λαλούμενον ἐν τῇ ἐπιστολῇ σου ἐὰν μή τις ὁδηγήσει με.

ΔΕΟΜΑΙ ΣΟΥ, Ω ΜΑΡΚΕ, ΠΕΡΙ ΤΙΝΟΣ ΛΕΓΕΙΣ ΤΟΥΤΟ; ΠΕΡΙ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ Η ΠΕΡΙ ΕΤΕΡΟΥ ΤΙΝΟΣ; ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ΟΙΔΑ ΤΟ ΛΑΛΟΥΜΕΝΟΝ ΕΝ ΤΗ ΕΠΙΣΤΟΛΗ ΣΟΥ ΕΑΝ ΜΗ ΤΙΣ ΟΔΗΓΗΣΕΙ ΜΕ.

 

Vasile

 

From: Mark Lightman [mailto:lightmanmark at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:03 PM
To: 'Herb Picoski'; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; Vasile STANCU
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Gen. 19:14

 


λαβε την γυναικα μου...παρακαλω, λαβε την γυναικα μου!

LABE THN GUNAIKA  MOU...PARAKALW, LABE THN GUNAIKA MOU!

Mark L


FWSFOROS MARKOS

--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Vasile STANCU <stancu at mail.dnttm.ro> wrote:


From: Vasile STANCU <stancu at mail.dnttm.ro>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Gen. 19:14
To: "'Herb Picoski'" <pic3lite at telus.net>, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 1:39 AM

It used to be quite normal in my childhood that people in my country (especially in rural areas) should use such expressions like "they have taken each other" for "they got married". There was no doubt at that time that "taking each other" meant "getting married" and not merely "joined", as it was considered shameful for a man and a woman living together without getting married according to the customs of the respective community. In the recent years however it has become quite widespread with younger generations that couples may very well live together without getting married - simply "joined", or under "trial marriage". The same way, I believe, we can judge what people in Lot's time would mean by λαμβάνω LAMBANW when applied to man-woman relationship, based on the available evidence provided by the text regarding social standards at that time.



Vasile STANCU



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ἐξηλθεν δέ Λωτ και ἐλαλησεν πρὸς  τοὺς γαμβροὺς αὐτου τοὺς εἰληφότας τὰς θυγατέρας αὐτου καὶ εἶπεν...



Question 1) In this passage there seems to be a difference of opinion between the KJV and NASB and Jewish Bible English as to the tense of τοὺς εἰληφότας this participle. Should it be 'who were married' or 'who will be married' or 'who had married'? My guess is perfect participle.



Question 2) the word εἰληφότας is not available in my dictionary. Does it mean married, wed or joined?



Herb the Student

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