[B-Greek] Matthew 22:34

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Fri Dec 10 13:06:42 EST 2010


On Dec 9, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Mark Lightman wrote:

> <No, I don't think the notion of purpose would be expressed with EPI +  
> accusative. I think that Iver is right and the lexicographical
> evidence is sufficiently convincing.>
> 
> Hi, Carl,
> 
> You guys are probably right, but cf. 1 Cor 7:5, where there seems to be a hint 
> of purpose.  That is the picture I have in my mind, the completion of a delayed 
> event that is at least as telic as it is locative. 

I think not. I think that BDAG has it right, s.v. EPI 
"	1. marker of location or surface, answering the question ‘where?’ on, upon, near ...
c. w. acc., answering the question ‘where?’ 
β. ἐ. τὸ αὐτό [EPI TO AUTO] at the same place, together ... "
-- and 1 Cor 7:5 is cited specifically for this sense.

Carl W. Conrad

> 
> ________________________________
> From: cwconrad2 <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> To: Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
> Cc: Biblical Greek' <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 3:46:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matthew 22:34
> 
> On Dec 09, 2010, at 01:03 AM, Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Matthew 22:34 (NA27)
>>>> 34Οἱ δὲ Φαρισαῖοι ἀκούσαντες ὅτι ἐφίμωσεν τοὺς Σαδδουκαίους συνήχθησαν ἐπὶ 
>> τὸ
>>>> αὐτό,
>>>> 
>>>> 34 hOI DE FARISAIOI AKOUSANTES hOTI EFIMWSEN TOUS SADDOUKAIOUS SUNXQHSAN EPI 
>> TO
>>>> AUTO.
>>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> It refers to a place, they gather in the same place, i.e. together. It is an 
>> idiom.
>>> 
>>> of place: at the same place, together (En 100:2; Jos., Bell. 2, 346; s. 
>> συνέρχομαι 1a) Mt 22:34; 1 Cor 11:20; 14:23; B 4:10; IEph 5:3; εἶναι ἐπὶ τὸ αὐ. 
>> (TestNapht 6:6) Lk 17:35; Ac 1:15; 2:1. προστιθέναι ἐπὶ τὸ αὐ add to the total 
>> Ac 2:47 (see M-M.). κατὰ τὸ αυ. of pers. being together as a body in each 
>> other’s company, together (PEleph 1, 5 εἶναι δὲ ἡμᾶς κατὰ ταὐτό) and also with 
>> ref. to simultaneous presence at the same time (Aelian, VH 14, 8 δύο εἰκόνας 
>> εἰργάσατο Πολύκλειτος κατὰ τ. αὐ.; 3 Km 3:18)
>>> 
>>> Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the 
>> New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed.) (153). Chicago: 
>> University of Chicago Press.
>>> 
>>> Iver Larsen
>>> ---
>> 
>> 
>> What about 'for the same purpose'?
> 
> No, I don't think the notion of purpose would be expressed with EPI + 
> accusative. I think that Iver is right and the lexicographical
> evidence is sufficiently convincing.
> 
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)






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