[B-Greek] Top Ten Interlinear Arguments that B-Greekers will be giving up for Lent

Stephen Baldwin stbaldwi at hotmail.com
Sun Feb 14 23:50:06 EST 2010


Hello Mike:
Thanks for the clarification.
Lest we degenerate into a debate on epistemology, I'll close with this one.
I'll leave aside the futility of pretending to know something.
If I may clarify then, what is derided on b-greek is not interlinears per se, but the genus of statements of the form "I am learning New Testament Greek by using an interlinear" [whether anyone actually makes such statements I'll leave that too]. In which case, the orthodox doctrine has the dubious value of my support!

Rgds
SteveB

Stephen Baldwin
stbaldwi at hotmail.com




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> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:22:07 -0800
> From: mga318 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Top Ten Things that B-Greekers will be giving up this year for Lent
> To: stbaldwi at hotmail.com; theomann at comcast.net; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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> But I didn't say it was something that made people think they knew the language when they didn't. I said that it was a tool for helping student *pretend* they knew the language when they didn't. Those are different.
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> The fact is that when it comes to the goal of actually learning the language -- which is what the B-Greek list is about -- an interlinear is only going to give a student a false sense of security about their knowledge of the language. For those are trying to learn Greek, an interlinear is only a tool for pretending.
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> Mike
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> With great respect to the high-calibre ones on b-greek, the thongs of whose sandals etc. etc. this is another simplistic attack; Another generalisation that does not hold water.
> Again, perhaps I am missing something -- but I have never once met or heard of anyone who thought they "knew Greek" by reading an interlinear.
> And even if they did, that is not the fault of the interlinear, but surely the incorrect use of the tool.
> Many years ago I was curious about the word translated "devoted" in Acts 2:42 -- PROSKARTEREW. The early believers "devoted" themselves etc.
> I knew scarcely a word of Greek and no grammar or anything -- but I was curious to know more about the word. The only access I had was to an interlinear and to a Vines. I found the word in the interlinear, checked it up in my Vines, and came away with a bit more knowledge about the word than I did before. I did that with several words from time to time.
> Did I think that I "knew
> greek"? Utter nonsense. I did not know greek and I knew I did not know greek and I would never have claimed otherwise. And it may comfort the brethren here assembled to hear my confession that I know a whole lot more now than I did then and I remain light years away from "knowing greek".
> So again [and I'm kicking myself that I have resurrected this subject!], I think it is simplistic to rubbish interlinears in the way that is routine on b-greek. Let us have rational debate and generalise where appropriate -- but blanket statements regarding what people may or may not claim -- well, it follows the pattern of setting up arguments that no-one [or hardly anyone] makes, and then shooting them down...which does not add much to the sum of knowledge, does it?
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> I stand open to correction and further learning...and look forward to the Lenten Moratorium :-)
> SteveB
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> Stephen Baldwin
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>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:48:57 -0800
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>> To: theomann at comcast.net; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Top Ten Things that B-Greekers will be giving up this year for Lent
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>> if you consider the ability to pretend to know Greek when you really don't a pro...then that's one.
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>> From: Stephen Baldwin stbaldwi at hotmail.com
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>> Since I've been b-greeking, I was initially curious about the interlinear debate -- pros and cons...
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>> Are there some pros? I don't think I've heard any yet.
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