[B-Greek] 1Co 11:32 hUPO TOU KURIO - kataphoric or anaphoric?
Iver Larsen
iver_larsen at sil.org
Thu Feb 18 06:05:20 EST 2010
Or think of ANABAINW "go up" and KATABAINW "go down".
Randall Buth discusses Matt 28:1 and Luke 23:54 (and compares to Mark 16:2). I
suggest you read his article again, if you have it. His main point is the
possible meanings of EPIFWSKW, a word which only occurs these two places in the
NT. In Luke it refers to the evening. In Matthew it is disputed. I don't see
there is any doubt about the meaning of PRWI. Randall Buth is open to the
possibility of two visits by the women to the tomb, one in the evening, one in
the morning.
Iver
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1Co 11:32 hUPO TOU KURIO - kataphoric or anaphoric?
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org> wrote:
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> I think it is easier if you think of ANA as "up" and KATA as "down".
> Anaphora points up on the page to what has already been said,
> kataphora/cataphora points down to what is still coming.
>
Thanks again Iver. I can see it again in ANABLEPW ('see again' or 'look up'?)
>
> I cannot see that English translations go either way. Which do you refer to?
> Some are clear, some are not clear. Those that are not clear, like NIV, may
> be construed in ways not intended by the translators nor by the original
> author of the Greek text. That happens all the time.
>
NIV reads 'When we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined' -
this is pretty much clear. Same in ESV, RSV, NRSV, NET, NLT, etc.
The opposite examples are KJV and some others.
Some combines into one verbal phrase - CEV, GNB.
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>> This case reminds me of Mk 16:9
>
> PRWÏ means "early in the morning", and does not refer to the evening or the
> "beginning" of the Jewish day.
Always? Why not about 'early' in a Jewish day. (according to Randall Buth).
>
> Are you thinking of Matthew 28:1 where the text is open to interpretation
> because of the unclear word EPIFWSKW?
>
Isn't it possible that word may go either 'dawn at morning' or 'dusk
after sunset'?
The last two points are what I have briefly gleaned from Randall Buth.
Oun Kwon.
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