[B-Greek] John 2:4 TI EMOI KAI SOI
Iver Larsen
iver_larsen at sil.org
Fri Feb 19 00:12:30 EST 2010
This verse has been discussed several times before, most recently in March 2009
and before that in March-April 2005, so you may want to look up these threads
for further background.
It is an idiom that basically means "Leave me alone!" It is found several times
in the OT and it is not really a matter of privacy versus publicity.
You asked why it was translated the way it is and mentioned two of the very
literal versions that will usually translate idioms word for word rather than
express the meaning in good and meaningful English. I suggest you look at other
versions also, e.g.:
GNB and CEV: You must not tell me what to do.
Iver Larsen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alia Duffy" <alia.duffy at gmail.com>
To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: 19. februar 2010 01:13
Subject: [B-Greek] John 2:4 TI EMOI KAI SOI
> I'm trying to teach myself Greek and part of that is asking questions even
> though the answer may be obvious to others:
>
> In John 2:4 : LEGEI AUTH hO IHSOUS, TI EMOI KAI SOI, GUNAI; OUPW HKEI hH
> hWRO MOU.
> λέγει αὐτῇ ὁ Ἰησοῦς· τί ἐμοὶ καὶ σοί, γύναι; οὔπω ἥκει ἡ ὥρα μου.
>
> KJV: Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is
> not yet come.
> NASB: And Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does that have to do with us? My
> hour has not yet come."
>
> Reading this in the context of how Mary responds it seems to me that TI EMOI
> KAI SOI makes sense as "This is just between me and you" or "What about
> keeping this between me and you." a request that Jesus's involvement should
> not be publicised rather than really being a question about the relevance of
> the situation to Jesus.
>
> In the other instance where this phrase is used, Mark 5:7 and Luke 8:28, it
> also seems to me to make as much sense as a request that other parties (the
> old enmities of God the Father, the Serpent, and the seed of Eve) not be
> dragged into a private matter questing of the relevance of the situation to
> Jesus.
>
> So can anyone give help in deepening my understanding of TIS and why it is
> being translated the way it is in John 2:4?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alia Duffy
> San Jose, California
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