[B-Greek] Romans 8:17

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 23 22:08:33 EST 2010


εἰ δὲ τέκνα, καὶ κληρονόμοι· κληρονόμοι μὲν θεοῦ, συγκληρονόμοι δὲ Χριστοῦ, εἴπερ συμπάσχομεν ἵνα καὶ συνδοξασθῶμεν.

Note the series SUGKLHRONOMAI ... SUMPASXOMEN ... SUNDOCASQWMEN

In the first usage it is SUGKLHROMOMAI ... XRISTOU and it would therefore be expected that the other combinations with SUN- would be used likewise.
 george
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----- Original Message ----
From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
To: B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 7:56:26 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Romans 8:17

This was clearly intended for the list, but doesn't seem to have come through:

From: "Ashley Windus" <ashley at eastsidechurch.org.au>
Date: February 23, 2010 9:14:48 PM EST
To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Romans 8:17


I am very much the beginner with respect to Greek.  However, I have a (probably very basic) question about Romans 8:17

eiper sumpaschomen
if, in fact, we suffer with him (NRSV)
if indeed we suffer together [with him] (Lexham)
provided we suffer with him (ESV)

Every translation I have read seems to agree that he meaning is: suffer together with him (Christ). Is the connection to Jesus purely contextual?  Is it possible Paul could have meant: suffer together, that is, with one another (and equally, with Christ)?  It seems to me from my very basic understanding that this at least is a possible understanding – that the suffering together refers not just to me suffering along with Christ but us suffering together with one another and with Christ.


Ashley Windus

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EI DE TEKNA, KAI KLHRONOMAI; KLHRONOMAI MEN QEOU, SUGKLHRONOMAI DE XRISTOU, EIPER SUMPASXOMEN hINA KAI SUNDOCASQWMEN.


      



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