[B-Greek] Matt 18:28 time and the imperfect

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Sat Feb 27 09:28:13 EST 2010


On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Louis Sorenson wrote:
> 
> It was Μαρκίων, not Marx, in his Gospel of Marcion, who first started on this hODWi!
> 
> Marcion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion .... ah a little Mark (ΜARK-ION)?
> 

Could have fooled me. I thought it was FWSFOROS MARKOS, hO KOSMOKRATWR
THS MWRIAS TAUTHS THS SKOTEINHS . . .

Carl C

> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:03:54 -0800
> From: lightmanmark at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matt 18:28 time and the imperfect
> To: llsorenson at hotmail.com; cwconrad2 at mac.com
> CC: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> 
> In Das Kapital, this text is quoted the way Louis understands
> it to establish the fact that the bourgeoisie creditors can only
> see the proletarian debtors in terms of their surplus value.
> They are only what they owe.  He calls this "Reification," 
> turning the essence of a person into a mere economic value.
> 
> But I think we are missing the Marx.
> 
> JOKE JOKE JOKE THIS IS A JOKE 
> 
> Mark L
> 
> 
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
> 
> --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matt 18:28 time and the imperfect
> To: "Louis Sorenson" <llsorenson at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "Mark Lightman" <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>, "B-Greek List mail to all" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 5:50 AM
> 
> 
> On Feb 27, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Louis Sorenson wrote:
>> 
>> FYI all, this was an attempt at humor. Obviously, no one got it.
> 
> I did think it was humor, but I also thought some people would be confused.
> The same thing happened to me yesterday with my effort at humor.
> 
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> 
>> 
>> Louis Sorenson.
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matt 18:28 time and the imperfect
>>> From: cwconrad2 at mac.com
>>> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:17:09 -0500
>>> CC: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; llsorenson at hotmail.com
>>> To: lightmanmark at yahoo.com
>>> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2010, at 5:30 AM, Mark Lightman wrote:
>>>> Louis wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> <I read APODOS EI TI OFEILEIS. as
>>>> 
>>>> Ἀποδος. εἶ τὶ οφείλεις 
>>>> 
>>>> You are what you owe.
>>>> 
>>>> ἁμαρτάνω; AMARTANW; >
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, Louis,
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm?  A new ad campaign for Visa?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, Markos says you miss the Mark.  :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lest there be any confusion remaining after all these
>>> missiles flung and flailing and missing their
> mark, 
>>> the text here says 
>>> 
>>> ἀπόδος εἴ τι ὀφείλεις [APODOS EI TI OFEILEIS] 
>>> 
>>> not ἀπόδος,, εἶ τι ὀφείλεις [APODOS, EI)= OFEILEIS]
>>> 
>>> EI TI OFEILEIS = "if you owe something" = "whatever you owe"
>>> 
>>> This is one of those instances where breathing and accents are
>>> essential to distinguish two very different words: 
>>> εἰ [EI)  "if"      εἶ [EI)= "you are" (sg.)
>>> 
>>> Carl W. Conrad
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Louis Sorenson <llsorenson at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Louis Sorenson <llsorenson at hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matt 18:28 time and the imperfect
>>>> To: jayadkins264 at gmail.com, "B-Greek List mail to all" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 8:12 PM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Jay Adkins <jayadkins264 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Matt 18:28 EXELQWN DE O DOULOS EKEINOS EUREN ENA TWN
> SUNDOULWN AUTOU, OS
>>>>> WFEILEN AUTW EKATON DHNARIA, KAI KRATHSAS AUTON EPVIGEN LEYWN APODOS EI TI
>>>>> OFEILEIS.
>>>> 
>>>>> Matt 18:28 (NASU) "But that slave went out and found one of his fellow
>>>>> slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and [began] to
>>>>> choke [him], saying, `Pay back what you owe.'
>>>> 
>>>> I read APODOS EI TI OFEILEIS. as
>>>> 
>>>> Ἀποδος. εἶ τὶ οφείλεις 
>>>> 
>>>> You are what you owe.
>>>> 
>>>> ἁμαρτάνω; AMARTANW; 
>>>> 
>>>> Λεωνιδας  LEWNIDAS
>>>> Louis Sorenson
> 
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)






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