[B-Greek] Matt 18:28 time and the imperfect
Carl Conrad
cwconrad2 at mac.com
Sat Feb 27 09:28:13 EST 2010
On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Louis Sorenson wrote:
>
> It was Μαρκίων, not Marx, in his Gospel of Marcion, who first started on this hODWi!
>
> Marcion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion .... ah a little Mark (ΜARK-ION)?
>
Could have fooled me. I thought it was FWSFOROS MARKOS, hO KOSMOKRATWR
THS MWRIAS TAUTHS THS SKOTEINHS . . .
Carl C
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:03:54 -0800
> From: lightmanmark at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matt 18:28 time and the imperfect
> To: llsorenson at hotmail.com; cwconrad2 at mac.com
> CC: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>
> In Das Kapital, this text is quoted the way Louis understands
> it to establish the fact that the bourgeoisie creditors can only
> see the proletarian debtors in terms of their surplus value.
> They are only what they owe. He calls this "Reification,"
> turning the essence of a person into a mere economic value.
>
> But I think we are missing the Marx.
>
> JOKE JOKE JOKE THIS IS A JOKE
>
> Mark L
>
>
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
> --- On Sat, 2/27/10, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matt 18:28 time and the imperfect
> To: "Louis Sorenson" <llsorenson at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "Mark Lightman" <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>, "B-Greek List mail to all" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 5:50 AM
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Louis Sorenson wrote:
>>
>> FYI all, this was an attempt at humor. Obviously, no one got it.
>
> I did think it was humor, but I also thought some people would be confused.
> The same thing happened to me yesterday with my effort at humor.
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>
>>
>> Louis Sorenson.
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matt 18:28 time and the imperfect
>>> From: cwconrad2 at mac.com
>>> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:17:09 -0500
>>> CC: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; llsorenson at hotmail.com
>>> To: lightmanmark at yahoo.com
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2010, at 5:30 AM, Mark Lightman wrote:
>>>> Louis wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <I read APODOS EI TI OFEILEIS. as
>>>>
>>>> Ἀποδος. εἶ τὶ οφείλεις
>>>>
>>>> You are what you owe.
>>>>
>>>> ἁμαρτάνω; AMARTANW; >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Louis,
>>>>
>>>> Hmm? A new ad campaign for Visa?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Markos says you miss the Mark. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Lest there be any confusion remaining after all these
>>> missiles flung and flailing and missing their
> mark,
>>> the text here says
>>>
>>> ἀπόδος εἴ τι ὀφείλεις [APODOS EI TI OFEILEIS]
>>>
>>> not ἀπόδος,, εἶ τι ὀφείλεις [APODOS, EI)= OFEILEIS]
>>>
>>> EI TI OFEILEIS = "if you owe something" = "whatever you owe"
>>>
>>> This is one of those instances where breathing and accents are
>>> essential to distinguish two very different words:
>>> εἰ [EI) "if" εἶ [EI)= "you are" (sg.)
>>>
>>> Carl W. Conrad
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Louis Sorenson <llsorenson at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Louis Sorenson <llsorenson at hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matt 18:28 time and the imperfect
>>>> To: jayadkins264 at gmail.com, "B-Greek List mail to all" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 8:12 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Jay Adkins <jayadkins264 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Matt 18:28 EXELQWN DE O DOULOS EKEINOS EUREN ENA TWN
> SUNDOULWN AUTOU, OS
>>>>> WFEILEN AUTW EKATON DHNARIA, KAI KRATHSAS AUTON EPVIGEN LEYWN APODOS EI TI
>>>>> OFEILEIS.
>>>>
>>>>> Matt 18:28 (NASU) "But that slave went out and found one of his fellow
>>>>> slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and [began] to
>>>>> choke [him], saying, `Pay back what you owe.'
>>>>
>>>> I read APODOS EI TI OFEILEIS. as
>>>>
>>>> Ἀποδος. εἶ τὶ οφείλεις
>>>>
>>>> You are what you owe.
>>>>
>>>> ἁμαρτάνω; AMARTANW;
>>>>
>>>> Λεωνιδας LEWNIDAS
>>>> Louis Sorenson
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Carl W. Conrad
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