[B-Greek] Gen 3:16b LXX: t'shuqah (desire) => APOSTROFH (turning)
Albert Pietersma
albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Mon Jan 4 21:58:03 EST 2010
On Jan 4, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Nikolaos Adamou wrote:
>
> Liddell in page 192 gives also as meaning the
> · Turning round, back
> · A place of rescue from
>
> Also in
>
> http://kilbabo.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/septuagintal-saturdays-gen-315-16/
>
>
> ἀποστροφή
> vs. תשׁוקה
>
> The Hebrew noun תשׁוקה,
> is only used in Genesis here and in 4:7 where it describes sin
> ‘desiring’ you.
> It seems, then that it has a negative connotation, i.e., the desire
> to dominate
> (so, Waltke, Old Testament Theology, 266). The LXX seems to imply,
> not dominating
> but submitting.
While the Hebrew-Greek equivalence is interesting, the LXX like MT
speaks about 'dominating'. NETS reads: "Your recourse will be to your
husband, AND HE WILL DOMINATE (KURIEUW) YOU." It would thus seem that
on the question of dominance, MT and LXX agree.
Al
> So that, the woman’s recourse (NETS) or return is to her
> husband. This implies to me that the situation of the woman’s
> submissive role
> is a product of the fall, rather than as Waltke would interpret and
> the MT
> would suggest that it is the woman’s desire to dominate that is the
> product of
> the fall. I need to consider this more but this has been a long post
> and I
> think I’ll leave it at that. Something to ponder.
>
>
>
> Nikolaos Adamou, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Business Management
> BMCC / CUNY
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:11:48 -0800
>> From: papaweiss1 at yahoo.com
>> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: [B-Greek] Gen 3:16b LXX: t'shuqah (desire) => APOSTROFH
>> (turning)
>>
>> Can anyone explain why the LXX translates the Hebrew t'shuqah
>> (desire, urge) in Gen.
>> 3:16b as "turning" (APOSTROFH)? ("Your desire shall be toward your
>> husband....."). I
>> cannot find that any of my Hebrew lexicons give "turning" as a
>> meaning for t'shuqah, and
>> none of my Greek lexicons give "desire" as a meaning for APOSTROFH;
>> in fact, one of the
>> LSJ definitions says it can mean the OPPOSITE of EPIQUMIA (desire,
>> lust) - i.e., an
>> "aversion" (turning away). One source suggests the LXX translator
>> misread t'shuqah as
>> t'shubah (return).
>>
>> Re: Genesis 3:16:
>> * Philo uses APOSTROFH in Legum Allegoriae III (220) (though
>> translated by C.D. Yonge
>> as "desire" - maybe he went with the Hebrew reading/meaning?).
>> * The Dead Sea Scrolls don't seen to have this verse in the extant
>> scrolls, so we can't see
>> what their Hebrew text said.
>> * An online translation of Jubilees re: this passage also seems to
>> read "return," but I don't
>> know if that's based on the Greek or the Ethiopic text of Jubilees.
>>
>> A related question: Is there a reason Jerome's Vulgate reads:
>>
>> et sub viri potestate eris et ipse dominabitur tui = "and thou
>> shalt be under thy husband's
>> power, and he shall have dominion over thee."
>>
>> (I can't read Latin, so I have to trust this literal translation I
>> found.)
>>
>> I.e., Jerome translated either t'shuqah or APOSTROFH as "sub viri
>> potestate" which
>> doesn't seem to be the meaning of either the Hebrew or the Greek.
>>
>> - - -
>> Eric S. Weiss
>>
>>
>>
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