[B-Greek] Gen 3:16b LXX: t'shuqah (desire) => APOSTROFH(turning)

Albert Pietersma albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Wed Jan 6 13:53:57 EST 2010


Sorry, George, you are citing 1 Sam 9:7 but the Greek of 1 Sam (1  
Rgns) 9:7 does not contain APOSTROFH.  Thus TShWRH of 1 Sam 9:7 is  
irrelevant. Nor for that matter does Hatch-Redpatch list ANY  
occurrence where APOSTROFH translates TShWRH.
One might possibly play around with TShwBH, which in 1 Sam (1  
Rgns)7:17 is rendered by APOSTROFH.
Al
On Jan 6, 2010, at 1:36 PM, George F Somsel wrote:

> I think I just said that there is.
>
>  george
> gfsomsel
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>
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
> To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>; Ken Penner <kpenner at stfx.ca>;  
> b-greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 11:22:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Gen 3:16b LXX: t'shuqah (desire) =>  
> APOSTROFH(turning)
>
> If you are wondering whether APOSTROFH in Gen 3:16 might be based  
> not on  a parent text like MT, or that TShQH might have been  
> misread, the answer is Yes, of course.  But to make that viable we  
> would need from among the Hebrew words rendered by APOSTROFH one  
> word that graphically is similar to TShQH. Is there such a one?
> Al
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:41 AM, George F Somsel wrote:
>
>> Sometimes things happen serendipitously to further discovery, but  
>> on other occassions one can be led into a wrong direction.  I  
>> haven't thoroughly investigated this, but let me throw it out for  
>> consideration anyway.
>>
>> There are three instances of תְּשׁוּקָה in the Masoretic  
>> text of the OT, and one instance of תְּשׁוּרָה . The  
>> latter is found in 1 Sam 9.7 and being a hapax is not totally clear  
>> but seems to indicate a present (nor is the former totally clear  
>> for that matter). I only noticed this since the latter immediately  
>> followed the form in Gen 3.6 in the lexicon.  In the history of  
>> transmission it is possible that there has been some corruption in  
>> the text since at various periods some letters resembled others  
>> rather closely.  There are thus two questions:  Is this due to a  
>> corruption?  If so, which passage exhibits the corruption?  Of  
>> course, the usual question still remains regarding the precise  
>> meaning of whichever form is determined to be correct.
>>   george
>> gfsomsel
>>
>>
>> … search for truth, hear truth,
>> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
>> defend the truth till death.
>>
>>
>> - Jan Hus
>> _________
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>
>> To: Ken Penner <kpenner at stfx.ca>; b-greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 8:41:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Gen 3:16b LXX: t'shuqah (desire) =>  
>> APOSTROFH(turning)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken Penner" <kpenner at stfx.ca>
>> To: "b-greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: 6. januar 2010 18:13
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Gen 3:16b LXX: t'shuqah (desire) =>  
>> APOSTROFH(turning)
>> ...
>> Iver, if you're interested in the meaning of T$WQTH, it occurs in  
>> the Dead Sea
>> Scrolls. Check at 1QS XI, 22; 1QM XV, 10; XVII, 4; 4Q256 XXII, 1;  
>> 4Q256 1 10;
>> 4Q446 3 1; 6Q18 2 4.
>> ---------------------
>>
>> Sorry, I don't have access to these texts, and my Hebrew is not  
>> that good.
>>
>> I do have what is called Semantic Dictionary of Biblical Hebrew,  
>> and they give
>> the following information for the Hebrew word in question:
>> "to concentrate one's full attention on someone else ► either with  
>> the purpose
>> of pleasing that person or of gaining control over him/her; ●  
>> agent: human - to
>> turn one's attention to; to be enraptured by; to concentrate one's  
>> energy on GEN
>> 3:16; 4:7; SNG 7:11 [3])"
>>
>> Since this is Hebrew it is not relevant for this list except to  
>> explore why the
>> LXX translator(s) used APOSTROFH.
>>
>> Iver
>>
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