[B-Greek] Rev 1:10

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 24 09:54:04 EDT 2010


I think Ignatius is rather clear in his use of the term κυριακὴν KURIAKHN when he explicates it as ἐν ᾗ καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἡμῶν ἀνέτειλεν διʼ αὐτοῦ καὶ τοῦ θανάτου αὐτοῦ  EN hHi KAI hH ZWH hHMWN ANETEILEN DI' AUTOU KAI TOU QANATOU AUTOU.  He contrasts this with σαββατίζοντες SABBATIZONTES which makes it rather apparent that he is viewing it as a specific day and not an eschatological event.

Εἰ οὖν οἱ ἐν παλαιοῖς πράγμασιν ἀναστραφέντες εἰς καινότητα ἐλπίδος ἦλθον, μηκέτι σαββατίζοντες ἀλλὰ κατὰ κυριακὴν ζῶντες, ἐν ᾗ καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἡμῶν ἀνέτειλεν διʼ αὐτοῦ καὶ τοῦ θανάτου αὐτοῦ, <ὅν>τινες ἀρνοῦνται, διʼ οὗ μυστηρίου ἐλάβομεν τὸ πιστεύειν, καὶ διὰ τοῦτο ὑπομένομεν, ἵνα εὑρεθῶμεν μαθηταὶ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ μόνου διδασκάλου ἡμῶν· 
 
EI OUN HOI EN PALAIOIS PRAGMASIN ANASTRAFENTES EIS KANOTHTA ELPIDOS HLQON, MHKETI SABBATIZONTES ALLA KATA KURIAKHN ZWNTES, EN hHi KAI hH ZWH hHMWN ANETEILEN DI' AUTOU KAI TOU QANATOU AUTOU, <hON> TINES ARNOUNTAI, DI' hOU MUSTHRIOU ELABOMEN TO PISTEUEIN, KAI DIA TOUTO hUPOMENOMEN, hINA HEUREQEMEN MAQHTAI IHSOU XRISTOU TOU MONOU DIDASKALOU hHMWN.
 
Holmes, M. W. (1999). The Apostolic Fathers : Greek texts and English translations (Updated ed.) (154). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.
 george
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From: Alex Poulos <apviper at gmail.com>
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
Cc: Gene Baker <ekbaker at essex1.com>; B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thu, June 24, 2010 6:17:44 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Rev 1:10

I think the question is the question here is does the phrase refer to the eschatological Day of the Lord, or to Sunday.  The phrase is certainly used for Sunday in the papyri (If I'm reading BDAG correctly), and it does cite Rev 1:10 as referring to Sunday.  I'm quite happy to take that as the base meaning, though apocalyptic language is slippery and considering the nature of the book, I wouldn't be surprised if the eschaton was in view with this phrase (I'd actually be surprised if it wasn't).

Alex Poulos
Senior - Computer Science
NC State University


On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:13 AM, George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:

ἐγενόμην ἐν πνεύματι ἐν τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ καὶ ἤκουσα ὀπίσω μου φωνὴν μεγάλην ὡς σάλπιγγος
>EGENOMHN EN PNEUMATI EN THi KURIAKHi hHMERAi KAI HKOUSA OPISW MOU FWNHN MEGALHN hWS SALPIGGOS
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>I'm having some difficulty understanding what you consider the problem to be here.  Would you like 6 doughnuts or half a dozen?  My best guess is that you are referring to the LXX use of the phrase in Amos 5.18 and 20.  If so, it hardly seems credible that this could be the reference in Re 1.10 since Amos references the eschatological "Day of the Lord", i.e. according to Amos the day when God comes in judgement (Amos 5.20 οὐχὶ σκότος ἡ ἡμέρα τοῦ κυρίου καὶ οὐ φῶς; OUXI SKOTOS hH hHMERA TOU KURIOU KAI OU FWS?).  One other interpretation of EN THi KURIAKHi hHMERAi which I have encountered is that of Seventh Day Adventists that it references Easter.  I have no intention of discussing that since it is clearly beyond the list protocol though I will say that it makes more sense than to take it as the eschatological Day of the Lord.
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>learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
>defend the truth till death.
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>From: Gene Baker <ekbaker at essex1.com>
>To: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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>Subject: [B-Greek] Rev 1:10
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>I am having a discussion with another person about the meaning of THi
>KURIAKHi  hHMERAi  in Rev. 1:10.  He is taking that phrase as equivalent to
>THi hHMERAi TOU KURIOU.  BAG says that the phrase refers to the Lord's Day,
>that is the first day of the week.  My discussion partner say simply that
>BAG has it wrong.  Does anyone know if THi KURIAKHi  hHMERAi  is used as the
>equivalent of THi hHMERAi TOU KURIOU?  If BAG has it wrong, so do Alford and
>Moffatt.
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>  TIA
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