[B-Greek] Arthur Way and 1 Tim 2:15

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Tue Nov 23 19:38:36 EST 2010


1 Timothy 2:14–15 (NA27) 
 
14καὶ Ἀδὰμ οὐκ ἠπατήθη, ἡ δὲ γυνὴ ἐξαπατηθεῖσα ἐν παραβάσει γέγονεν· 
15σωθήσεται δὲ διὰ τῆς τεκνογονίας, ἐὰν μείνωσιν ἐν πίστει καὶ ἀγάπῃ καὶ ἁγιασμῷ 
μετὰ σωφροσύνης· 

 
14 KAI ADAM OUT HPATHQH, hH DE GUNH ECAPATHQEISA EN PARABASEI GEGONEN;
15 SWQHSETAI DE DIA THV TEKNOGONIAS, EAN MEINWSIN EN PISTEI KAI AGAPHi KAI 
hAGIASMWi META SWFROSUNHS.
 
 
Unlike Hebrew which has separate verbal forms for for masculine and feminine in 
the 3rd sg, Greek has one form.  Unless there is a definite connection to either 
a noun or a pronoun (which will be determined to be either masc or fem), there 
is no infallible method to determine whether the subject is masc or fem.  I tend 
to think that the logic of the passage demands that σωθήσεται SWQHSETAI would 
refer back to ἡ δὲ γυνὴ hH DE GUNH.  It is interesting, however, that ἐὰν 
μείνωσιν EAN MEINWSIN is pl.  What would then be the subject of this verb?  It 
occurred to me that rather than referencing both the man and the woman it might 
refer to the children which must necessarily be understood in the διὰ τῆς 
τεκνογονίας DIA THS TEKNOGONIAS.  It would therefore refer to the continuance of 
the faithful race through the faithfulness of the children.

 george
gfsomsel 


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learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


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From: Daniel Buck <bucksburg at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Arthur Way and 1 Tim 2:15




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From: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>

I just discovered a well written and well researched article by Andreas 
Köstenberger. One of the best I have ever seen.

http://www.ibr-bbr.org/IBRBulletin/BBR_1997/BBR_1997_08_Kostenberg_1Tim2_15Women.pdf



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QUOTE:

In fact, he expresses approval of the man who is husband of a
single wife, whether elder, deacon, or layman, if he gives no ground for
criticism in his conduct of his marriage. He "will be preserved by the
generation of children." We note the following: (1) Clement links 1 Tim 2:15 
with 1 Tim
5:14-15, alluding also to 1 Tim 3:2; (2) he applies the passage not
(merely) to women, but (also) to men


I need to be careful here, as I tried phrasing my last post as a question and 
still blew it. Here goes.

Köstenberger translates Clement of Alexandria "He 'will be preserved'" but could 

it not alternatively be translated "She will be preserved?"
In that case, Clement was not, in fact, applying the passage not merely to 
women, but also to men--he was just further describing the leader's sole (not 
single!) wife. And Köstenberger was being led astray by his own (culture's) 
anthropocentric bias.

Daniel Buck


      
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