[B-Greek] Matthew 1:20
nikolaos kadamou
ntgreekreader at gmail.com
Sun Nov 28 20:14:15 EST 2010
Michael you lost me with so many technicalities of something simple an
straight forward.
In KJ it is "for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost"
and NIV is "because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit".
The interesting in this passage is the word "γεννηθὲν" which is not the
'born' but the "conceived".
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>wrote:
> ταῦτα δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐνθυμηθέντος ἰδοὺ ἄγγελος κυρίου κατ' ὄναρ ἐφάνη αὐτῷ λέγων,
> Ἰωσὴφ υἱὸς Δαυίδ, μὴ φοβηθῇς παραλαβεῖν Μαρίαν τὴν γυναῖκά σου, τὸ γὰρ ἐν
> αὐτῇ
> γεννηθὲν ἐκ πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου:
>
>
> TO GAR EN AUTHi GENNHQEN EK PNEUMATOW ESTIN hAGIOU.
>
> Unless I am missing something, the form in the verse is hAGIOU, not hAGION,
> and
> for that reason must go with the genitive PNEUMATOS and not the nominative
> TO
> GENNHQEN.
>
> I don't see any variants with hAGION.
>
>
>
>
> Mark L
>
>
>
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>
> To: Dony K. Donev <dony at cupandcross.com>; Biblical Greek'
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 3:37:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matthew 1:20
>
> hAGION cannot modify GENNHQEN because of the intervening preposition. While
> discontinuous phrases are allow in Greek, there are strict limits on the
> form
> they take. In the case of prepositional phrases, you are only going to find
> two
> patterns:
>
> Preposition -> Adjective -> X -> Noun
> Preposition -> Noun -> X -> Adjective
>
> Discontinuous constituency like this arises with the author/speaker viewed
> the
> first part of the discontinuity as particularly important or relevant to
> the
> message.
>
> The only occasions where a word that is functionally in a prepositional
> phrase
> can appear before the preposition are in Poetry, though even then, I can
> only
> say that for Classical poetry. I haven't looked at Hellenistic poetry.
> Also, in
> Homeric Greek, there is significantly more freedom in the placement of
> prepositions, but such phenomena are not relevant to what we're seeing
> here.
>
> If you're willing to push through some rather technical discussion, I've
> done
> some writing on the subject of discontinuous phrases in Greek, specifically
> looking at the Hellenistic period:
>
> http://evepheso.wordpress.com/studies-in-greek-syntax/
>
> Mike Aubrey
> http://evepheso.wordpress.com
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dony K. Donev <dony at cupandcross.com>
> To: Biblical Greek' <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 2:18:49 PM
> Subject: [B-Greek] Matthew 1:20
>
> Does hAGION refer to the Spirit OR the begotten, since both are neuter
> singular?
> If it refers to the Spirit, please explain why and are there other example
> by
> Matthew
> where hAGION and pneumatos are separated by a verb (ex. estin). Thanks.
>
> Dony K. Donev
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