[B-Greek] Fwd: Gen 25.23 and the LXX, in Rom 9.12

Albert Pietersma albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Thu Sep 16 21:53:45 EDT 2010



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> From: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
> Date: September 16, 2010 8:00:44 PM GMT-04:00
> To: P R <prittman at gmail.com>
> Cc: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Gen 25.23 and the LXX, in Rom 9.12
>
> You apparently have not read NETS.
> Al
> On Sep 16, 2010, at 7:33 PM, P R wrote:
>
>> I have to admit I'm a bit surprised by your response.  The  
>> translators of
>> the NIV, REB, KJV, and ESV (and I'm assuming these translations  
>> would not
>> all be following the LXX here) all interpret the words of both Rom  
>> 9.12 and
>> Gen 25.23 to refer to older and younger (as does Brenton and the  
>> first
>> Jewish Publication Society translation, with Gen 25). If you  
>> disagree with
>> those interpretations, please explain.
>>
>> As far as your second question, no I don't believe there is any  
>> such doubt.
>> That's one reason why I asked my question.
>>
>> Paul Rittman
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Albert Pietersma <
>> albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Aren't you creating your own problem by insisting that Rom 9:12 is  
>>> speaking
>>> of "older" and "younger" when neither the Hebrew nor the Greek of  
>>> Gen 25:23
>>> is speaking of "older" and "younger"?  Moreover, since Rom 9 is  
>>> explicitly
>>> about Rebecca and the birth of Jacob and Esau, is there any doubt  
>>> that Gen
>>> 25:23 is being cited?
>>> Al
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:54 PM, P R wrote:
>>>
>>> I was thinking more along the lines of Paul's choice of words for
>>>> "younger,"
>>>> (elasswn). Because this wasn't the normal word that would be used  
>>>> to
>>>> signify
>>>> "younger," was this evidence that Paul was deliberately following  
>>>> the LXX
>>>> here?
>>>>
>>>> Paul Rittman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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