[B-Greek] Fwd: Gen 25.23 and the LXX, in Rom 9.12
Albert Pietersma
albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Thu Sep 16 21:54:03 EDT 2010
Begin forwarded message:
> From: P R <prittman at gmail.com>
> Date: September 16, 2010 8:10:59 PM GMT-04:00
> To: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Gen 25.23 and the LXX, in Rom 9.12
>
> Greater and lesser. That would explain away the "problem."
> I was going to suggest that as an alternate....
>
> OK I'll be sure to look up the NETS before asking any more
> translation questions.
>
> Paul Rittman
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
> > wrote:
> You apparently have not read NETS.
> Al
>
> On Sep 16, 2010, at 7:33 PM, P R wrote:
>
> I have to admit I'm a bit surprised by your response. The
> translators of
> the NIV, REB, KJV, and ESV (and I'm assuming these translations
> would not
> all be following the LXX here) all interpret the words of both Rom
> 9.12 and
> Gen 25.23 to refer to older and younger (as does Brenton and the first
> Jewish Publication Society translation, with Gen 25). If you
> disagree with
> those interpretations, please explain.
>
> As far as your second question, no I don't believe there is any such
> doubt.
> That's one reason why I asked my question.
>
> Paul Rittman
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Albert Pietersma <
> albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> Aren't you creating your own problem by insisting that Rom 9:12 is
> speaking
> of "older" and "younger" when neither the Hebrew nor the Greek of
> Gen 25:23
> is speaking of "older" and "younger"? Moreover, since Rom 9 is
> explicitly
> about Rebecca and the birth of Jacob and Esau, is there any doubt
> that Gen
> 25:23 is being cited?
> Al
>
> On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:54 PM, P R wrote:
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of Paul's choice of words for
> "younger,"
> (elasswn). Because this wasn't the normal word that would be used to
> signify
> "younger," was this evidence that Paul was deliberately following
> the LXX
> here?
>
> Paul Rittman
>
>
>
>
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