[B-Greek] Epiphanius, (Ancoratus 119, line18C-19)
Blue Meeksbay
bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 18 17:30:09 EDT 2011
Hi George,
I also had problems with that understanding. I took GENNHQENTA to be what
Robertson would call a participle of additional statement and understood
MONOGENH to be in this context, anyhow, substantival with TOUTESTIN EK THS
OUSIAS TOU PATROS being epexegetical.
Thus I would render it *and in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten
from God the Father – only begotten – that is to say out of the substance of the
Father, etc.*
The reason I asked is I noticed a lot of people quote an article from Journal of
Biblical Literature by Dale Moody entitled God’s Only Son: The Translation of
John 3:16 in the Revised Standard Version. So I ordered a copy of his paper and
this what he said concerning the portion:
*The second creed contains the significant phrase GENNHQENTA EK QEOU PATROS,
MONOGENH (the only begotten Son of God the Father.) There in the accusative case
it takes both the word GENNHQENTA (begotten) and the word MONOGENH (only) to
say”only begotten,” because MONOGENH there as in the NT has to do with
uniqueness rather than conception.* (Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 72,
No.4 (Dec, 1953), pg. 215)
I couldn’t understand his reasoning from the snippet he included, so I searched
and was able to fine the portion in question in Greek. It seemed his
understanding destroyed the natural flow of the text, but since he is not here
to defend or explain himself, I thought I would throw it out to the list.
Cordially,
Blue Harris
________________________________
From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 2:07:00 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Epiphanius, (Ancoratus 119, line18C-19)
You have a little problem with understanding it in that manner. MONOGENH
TOUTESTIN EK ... Note 1 Clem 25
Ἴδωμεν τὸ παράδοξον σημεῖον τὸ γινόμενον ἐν τοῖς ἀνατολικοῖς τόποις, τουτέστιν
τοῖς περὶ τὴν Ἀραβίαν.
IDWMEN TO PARADOCAN SHMEION TO GINOMENON EN TOIS ANATOLIKOIS TOPOIS, TOUTESTIN
TOIS PERI THN ARABIAN.
The phrase including TOUTESTIN is an explication of that which precedes. I
think it must be understood similarly in Epiphanius.
george
gfsomsel
… search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.
- Jan Hus
_________
________________________________
From: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 1:49:22 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Epiphanius, (Ancoratus 119, line18C-19)
SORRY- I do not know why all the words ran together. I put an extra space
between each word. I hope this comes out correctly this time.
119 LINE18C-19 PG. 224 KAI EIS ENA KURION IHSOUN CRISTON, TON UION TOU
QEOU, GENNHQENTA EK QEOU PATROS, MONOGENH TOUTESTIN EK THS OUSIAS
TOU PATROS, QEON EK QEOU, FWS EK FWTOS, QEON ALHQINON EK QEOU
ALHQINOU, GENNHQENTA, OU POIHQENTA, OMOOUSION TW PATRI,
In understanding the phrase GENNHQENTA EK QEOU PATROS, MONOGENH from this
portion of *Ancoratus,* can it take both the word GENNHQENTA and MONOGENH so
that the phrase would read as follows — *the only begotten Son of God the
Father?*
Sincerely,
Blue Harris
---
B-Greek home page: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek
B-Greek mailing list
B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek
More information about the B-Greek
mailing list