[B-Greek] Epiphanius, (Ancoratus 119, line18C-19)

Blue Meeksbay bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 18 17:30:09 EDT 2011


Hi George,
 
I also had problems with that understanding. I took GENNHQENTA to be what 
Robertson would call a participle of additional statement and understood 
MONOGENH to be in this context, anyhow, substantival with TOUTESTIN EK THS 
OUSIAS TOU PATROS being epexegetical.
 
Thus I would render it *and in the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten 
from God the Father – only begotten – that is to say out of the substance of the 
Father, etc.* 

 
The reason I asked is I noticed a lot of people quote an article from Journal of 
Biblical Literature by  Dale Moody entitled God’s Only Son: The Translation of 
John 3:16 in the Revised Standard Version. So I ordered a copy of his paper and 
this what he said concerning the portion:
 
*The second creed contains the significant phrase  GENNHQENTA EK QEOU PATROS, 
MONOGENH (the only begotten Son of God the Father.) There in the accusative case 
it takes both the word  GENNHQENTA (begotten) and the word MONOGENH (only) to 
say”only begotten,” because MONOGENH there as in the NT has to do with 
uniqueness rather than conception.*  (Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 72, 
No.4 (Dec, 1953), pg. 215)
 
I couldn’t understand his reasoning from the snippet he included, so I searched 
and was able to fine the portion in question in Greek.  It seemed his 
understanding destroyed the natural flow of the text, but since he is not here 
to defend or explain himself, I thought I would throw it out to the list.  

 
 
Cordially,
 
Blue Harris




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From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 2:07:00 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Epiphanius, (Ancoratus 119, line18C-19)


You have a little problem with understanding it in that manner.  MONOGENH 
TOUTESTIN EK ...  Note 1 Clem 25

Ἴδωμεν τὸ παράδοξον σημεῖον τὸ γινόμενον ἐν τοῖς ἀνατολικοῖς τόποις, τουτέστιν 
τοῖς περὶ τὴν Ἀραβίαν. 
IDWMEN TO PARADOCAN SHMEION TO GINOMENON EN TOIS ANATOLIKOIS TOPOIS, TOUTESTIN 
TOIS PERI THN ARABIAN.
 
The phrase including TOUTESTIN is an explication of that which precedes.  I 
think it must be understood similarly in Epiphanius.
 

 george
gfsomsel 


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From: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 1:49:22 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Epiphanius, (Ancoratus 119, line18C-19)

SORRY-  I do not know why all the words ran together. I put an extra space 
between each word. I hope this comes out correctly this time.
 
 
119 LINE18C-19 PG. 224  KAI  EIS  ENA  KURION  IHSOUN  CRISTON,  TON  UION  TOU  

QEOU,  GENNHQENTA  EK  QEOU  PATROS,  MONOGENH  TOUTESTIN   EK  THS  OUSIAS  
TOU  PATROS,  QEON  EK  QEOU,  FWS  EK  FWTOS,  QEON  ALHQINON  EK  QEOU  
ALHQINOU,  GENNHQENTA,  OU  POIHQENTA,  OMOOUSION  TW  PATRI, 

 
In understanding the phrase GENNHQENTA EK QEOU PATROS, MONOGENH  from this 
portion of *Ancoratus,* can it take both the word GENNHQENTA and MONOGENH so 
that the phrase would read as follows — *the only begotten Son of God the 
Father?*
 
Sincerely,
 
Blue Harris
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