[B-Greek] Ephesians 2:8

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Thu Apr 21 12:34:52 EDT 2011


Hi, Eric,

The demonstratives can agree in gender with their antecedents, or the neuter can 
be used while still refering to a masculine or fem noun.  I think TOUTO refers 
to ARTOS.

Saying it refers to the whole act of the supper/the church is a nice Protestant 
eisegesis, though. 

 Mark L 



FWSFOROS MARKOS 




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From: Eric S. Weiss <papaweiss1 at yahoo.com>
To: b-greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 9:52:06 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] Ephesians 2:8

> It refers to neither and it refers to both. 
> TOUTO is neuter--neither PISTEWS nor CHARITI are neuter. 
> They're both feminine. 
> Neuter demonstratives that do not have a neuter antecedent 
> can refer to an entire state of affairs: 
> (TH GAR CHARITI ESTE SESWSMENOI DIA PISTEWS) KAI TOUTO... 
> TOUTO refers to the entire event of salvation by grace through 
> faith.
So then does the TOUTO in Matthew 26:26 refer to the act of the 
supper (i.e., Passover as a whole and/or those gathered at the 
Lord's Table - i.e., the church/Body of Christ) rather than to 
the bread specifically?
Matthew 26:26 ESQIONTWN DE AUTWN LABWN hO IHSOUS ARTON KAI 
EULOGHSAS EKLASEN KAI DOUS TOIS MAQHTAIS EIPEN - 
LABETE FAGETE, TOUTO ESTIN TO SWMA MOU.
(also see the similar Mark 14:22 and Luke 22:19)
ARTON is masculine, but TOUTO is neuter. 
Or does the TOUTO forwardly agree with the neuter SWMA, even though 
it comes after TOUTO and not before it?

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Eric S. Weiss 
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