[B-Greek] Ephesians 2:8
Brian Abasciano
bvabasciano at gmail.com
Thu Apr 21 12:39:00 EDT 2011
Wallace gives an excellent treatment of this issue in his grammar, pp.
334-35. I would advise checking it out. He describes the 4 main options. Two
are very unlikely, TOUTO as referring to either PISTEWS or CHARITI. The
third is the one most respondents have been advocating, reference to the
preceding clause, essentially the concept of salvation by grace through
faith. And that is a very viable option. But without explicitly saying so,
Wallace seems to favor taking KAI TOUTO adverbially, and points out that
both BDF and BAGD (as the revision BDAG still does) take this view. I think
this is probably right, though the conceptual referent option is very
possible and it is hard to choose between the conceptual vs. adverbial
options. They probably come out to roughly the same place, with the text's
focus being on salvation not being "of ourselves" but God's gift.
God bless,
Brian Abasciano
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Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:52:06 -0400
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:52:06 -0400
From: Robert Stump <robertstump at gmail.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] Ephesians 2:8
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Is there any reason to think that TOUTO in Ephesians 2:8 must, of
necessity, refer to PISTEWS as opposed to CARITI? Is there reason to
favor one over the other?
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TH GAR CARITI ESTE SESWSMENOI DIA PISTEWOS KAI TOUTO OUK EX UMWN QEOU TO
DWRON
Yours in Christ,
Robert Stump
Orlando, FL
Seminarian
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Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:07:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ephesians 2:8
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It refers to neither and it refers to both.
TOUTO is neuter--neither PISTEWS nor CHARITI are neuter. They're both
feminine.
Neuter demonstratives that do not have a neuter antecedent can refer to an
entire state of affairs:
(TH GAR CHARITI ESTE SESWSMENOI DIA PISTEWS) KAI TOUTO...
TOUTO refers to the entire event of salvation by grace through faith.
Mike Aubrey
http://evepheso.wordpress.com
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