[B-Greek] Ktizo
Mark Lightman
lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 27 22:41:48 EDT 2011
Vasileios wrote
<Since
then, I haven’t had the opportunity to read any linguistic article on this
topic and to see if my conclusions were right or wrong. If anybody knows, I
would really appreciate his view on this interesting linguistic subject.>
Hi, Vasileios,
Your conclusions pass the smell test.
Mark L
Φωσφορος
FWSFOROS MARKOS
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From: Vasileios Tsialas <tsialas78 at hotmail.com>
Cc: B-Greek Lists <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 7:24:53 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ktizo
Some years ago, I made a research with my
TLG on the use of κτίζω, and I "concluded" that, even
though there was the ancient and basic meaning of "founding", the
cases of "bringing into existence" did not occur often in the
pre-Classical and Classical period, and that consequently with the Judaic use
of κτίζω,
in Septuagint and other works, we can explain the reason behind the common
Christian use of the word in the strong theological meaning (already evident in
the NT).
Since
then, I haven’t had the opportunity to read any linguistic article on this
topic and to see if my conclusions were right or wrong. If anybody knows, I
would really appreciate his view on this interesting linguistic subject.
Vasileios Tsialas
Athens, Greece
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:12:51 -0700
> From: gfsomsel at yahoo.com
> To: rmuller5485 at gmail.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ktizo
>
> Since you specified "Greeks" rather than the Church, I am sending Liddell and
> Scott's entry on κτίζω KTIZW
>
> , Emp.23.6, etc.: fut. -ίσωA.Ch.1060: aor. ἔκτῐσαOd.11.263, etc.; poet.
> ἔκτισσαPi.P.1.62, A.Pers.289 (lyr.), κτίσσαIl.20.216, κτίσαPi.P.5.89: pf.
> ἔκτῐκαLyr.Alex.Adesp.1.8, D.S.7.5, 15.13:—Med., poet. aor.
> ἐκτίσσατοPi.O.10(11).25, Fr.1.4 (ἐκτήσ-codd.):—Pass., fut.
> κτισθήσομαιStr.Chr.5.38, D.H.1.56: aor. ἐκτίσθηνTh.1.12, etc.: pf.
> ἔκτισμαιHdt.4.46, Hp.Art.45, E.Fr.360.9:—people a country, build houses and
> cities in it, κτίσσε δὲ ΔαρδανίηνIl. l.c.; κ. χώρην, νῆσον, Hdt.1.149, 3.49,
>cf.
>
> Myc. athematic 3 pl. ki-ti-je-si (κτίενσι), part. ki-ti-me-na, cf.
> ἐϋκτίμενος.Θήβης ἑδος ἔκτισανOd. l.c. Hdt.1.167, 168, Th.6.4, PCair.Zen.169
>(iii
>
> b.c.); ἀποικίανA.Pr.815:—Pass., to be founded, Σμύρνην τὴν ἀπὸ Κολοφῶνος
> κτισθεῖσανfounded by emigrants from Colophon, Hdt.1.16, cf. 7.153, 8.62; μήτε
> ἄστεα μήτε τείχεα ἐκτισμέναno fixed cities or walls, Id.4.46; -ομένη
> πόλιςPhld.Rh.2.155 S.κ. ἄλσοςplant a grove, Pi.P.5.89; βωμόνset up an altar,
> Id.O.7.42; ἑορτάν, ἀγῶνα, found, establish it, ib.6.69, 10(11).25 (Med.); τὸν
> Κύρνον .. κτίσαι, ἥρων ἐόνταestablish his worship, Hdt.1.167; δαῖτάς
> τινιA.Ch.484 (Pass.); τάφον τινίS.Ant.1101; αἵρεσινPhld.Rh.1.77 S.;
> σύνοδονIG2.1343.12 p 1003 (i b.c.).γόνῳ τινάA.Supp.172 (lyr.), bring about,
> τελευτήνib.140 (lyr.), cf. Ch.441 (lyr.); ὁ τὴν φιλίην ἐκτικώςLyr.Alex.Adesp.
> l.c.; of painters, δένδρεα .. καὶ ἀνέρας ἠδέ γυναῖκαςEmp. l.c.; ἵπποισι τὸν
> χαλινὸν κτίσαςhaving invented it, S.OC715 (lyr.).ἐλεύθερον κ. τινάA.Ch.1060;
> ἔνθεον κατίσας φρεναId.Eu.17, cf. 714; ποτανὰν εἴ σέ τις θεῶν κατίσαιE.Supp.620
>
> (lyr.), cf. A.Pers.289 (lyr.).κτίσις) ‘habitation’.)
> As you can see, it does not necessarily include the idea of creatio ex nihilo.
> κτίζω
> 2.3.4.5.6.perpetrate a deed, S.Tr.898. (Cf. Skt. kṣéti ‘reside’, kṣitis (= make
>
> so and so, produce, create, bring into being, of a city, found, build,
>
>
> george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> … search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
>
> - Jan Hus
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> From: Robert Muller <rmuller5485 at gmail.com>
> To: "b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 2:46:54 PM
> Subject: [B-Greek] Ktizo
>
> Hello, can you give me some background on how the Greeks used the word
> ktizo.Thank you, Bob Muller
>
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