[B-Greek] John 11:4 and the Middle/Passive of DOXAZW
Mark Lightman
lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 18 22:22:45 EST 2011
Bryant egrapse:
<I really wonder if this is not a Middle.>
Hi, Bryant,
Yes, I think you can take this as a middle. I once came up with something I
called the Carl Conrad Rule of Mediopassivity, which stated that one should take
any OMAI or QHN form as a middle unless you HAVE to take it as a passive. Carl
disavowed this rule ("a crude simplification of something I didn't really say,"
or some such) but I still live by this rule. Call it the Lightman Rule of
Mediopassivity if you want. Just spell my name right!
If DOXAZW means "I cause something to be glorious," the middle would mean "I
become glorious," "I break out into glory." Whatever one calls it, that's what
the text means.
By the way, this verse shows that as far as the prior thread about John 9:3
goes, there is nothing un-Johanine about suffering existing for the purpose of
glorifying God.
Mark L
Φωσφορος
FWSFOROS MARKOS
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From: Bryant J. Williams III <bjwvmw at com-pair.net>
To: B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 7:45:17 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] John 11:4 and the Middle/Passive of DOXAZW
Dear List,
I am curious about the following:
Ἀκούσας δὲ ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν, Αὕτη ἡ ἀσθένεια οὐκ ἔστιν πρὸς θάνατον, ἀλλʼ ὑπὲρ τῆς
δόξης τοῦ θεοῦ, ἵνα δοξασθῇ ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ θεοῦ διʼ αὐτῆς.
AKOUSAS DE hO IHSOUS EIPEN, AUTH hH ASQENEIA OUK ESTIN PROS QANATON, ALL' hUPER
DOXHS TOU QEOU, hINA DOXASQHi hO hOIOS TOU QEOU DI' AUTHS.
My question concerns δοξασθῇ DOXASQHi. The lexicons give it as Aorist Passive
Subjunctive 3rd Person Singular. Thus, after hINA + Subjunctive we have a
purpose clause, but my question is it really a Passive or more like a
Middle/Passive giving it the idea of "for the purpose of the Son of God
glorified in Himself through it"? This may be a stretch, but with the QH ending
I really wonder if this is not a Middle.
En Xristwi,
Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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