[B-Greek] Use of TO with Infinitive
Blue Meeksbay
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Sun Jan 9 08:43:49 EST 2011
Hi Al,
That makes sense. So context is King in the composition literature of the New
Testament, but is a visiting dignitary in the land of the LXX. : >)
Blue Harris
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From: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
To: Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
Cc: Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 10:38:54 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Use of TO with Infinitive
"As George always says, Context is king." Though that is a valid principle for
composition literature, it is often not valid for the translation literature of
the LXX. It is one thing to say that only context can realize POTENTIAL sense.
It is quite another thing to say that context creates NEW sense.
Al
On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Oun Kwon wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Blue Meeksbay <bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
> <clipped>
>> Thus my conclusion that FAGEIN should be understood as a purpose infinitive
>in
>> verse 20.
>>
>> On the other hand, if the only purpose infinitive of FAGEIN in the section is
>> found in verse 33, then it seems the understanding of the RSV and the NET
>would
>> be correct for then it would explain why Paul would change the simple
>>infinitive
>> FAGEIN of verse 20 into a clear purpose infinitive in verse 33 with the
>> addition of EIS TO, thereby showing your conclusion, that the infinitive in
>> verse 20 was a *substantive in a nominal clause with OUK ESTI.*
>>
>> As George S. always says, *Context is king.* The problem, however, is that
>> sometimes context can lead us into two different directions, each equally
>>legit,
>> (as seems to be the case here), that is, unless there is a specific
>grammatical
>> rule that would prohibit one of the directions…thus my enquiry into the
reason
>> for the change to the articular infinitive.
>>
>
> <clipped>
>
> Speaking of context, I like to keep the contiguity of the text keeping
> v. 20 and v. 33 connected under the theme about the agape-meal in the
> Corinthian church with vv. 21-22 Paul detailing the problem in their
> behavior as he observed; and vv. 23-32 as interpolation about the
> Lord's Supper itself.
>
>
> My paraphrase:
> 11:20
> When you come together for the same purpose [of agape-meal]
> —as I see —
> what happens is, it’s not eating the Lord’s supper as such.
> ...
> ...
> 11:33
> Consequently my brethren, when yoů come together to eat [for
> agape-feast], take turn.
>
> Oun Kwon
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