[B-Greek] TIVAS in 2 Pet. 3:9

Rod Rogers rngrogers at embarqmail.com
Thu Jan 27 08:59:08 EST 2011


I was of the assumption that all pronouns by nature have 
antecedents (Machen #97; The Use of Pronouns). Although it may 
not be proven grammatically I think there is a logical antecedent 
to TINES, εμπαικται EMPAIKTAI, scoffers who ask "Where is the 
promise of his coming?" Doesn't TINAS refer back to hHMAS/hUMAS, 
those who the Lord is longsuffering towards? The real fussing and 
fighting comes in when you try to find the antecedent of 
hHMAS/hUMAS.

rod rogers
bargersville, in



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George F Somsel" <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: "Renwick Preston" <presto47 at gmail.com>; 
<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] TIVAS in 2 Pet. 3:9


> οὐ βραδύνει κύριος τῆς ἐπαγγελίας, ὥς τινες βραδύτητα ἡγοῦνται, 
> ἀλλὰ μακροθυμεῖ
> εἰς ὑμᾶς, μὴ βουλόμενός τινας ἀπολέσθαι ἀλλὰ πάντας εἰς 
> μετάνοιαν χωρῆσαι.
> OU BRADUNEI KURIOS THS EPAGGELIAS, hWS TINES BRADUTHTA 
> hGOUNTAI, ALLA MAKROQUMEI
> EIS hUMAS, MH BOULOMENOS TINAS APOLESQAI ALLA PANTAS EIS 
> METANOIAN XWRHSAI.
>
> Neither instance of τὶς, τὶ TIS, TI (neither τινες TINES nor 
> τινας TINAS) has
> an antecedent. They are simply indefinite pronouns. In the 
> first instance
> τινες TINES is the subject of ἡτοῦνται hHGOUNTAI while in the 
> second instance
> τινας TINAS is the subject of the infinitive ἀπολέσθαι 
> APOLESQAI.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> … search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
>
> - Jan Hus
> _________
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Renwick Preston <presto47 at gmail.com>
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 4:44:57 PM
> Subject: [B-Greek] TIVAS in 2 Pet. 3:9
>
> Is there an antecedent for the TIVAS in 2 Pet. 3:9?
>
> Ren Preston
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