[B-Greek] Test: Final
Rob McConeghy
robmcc1 at cox.net
Sat May 7 22:02:32 EDT 2011
These display problems with diacritics are primarily due to which font you use to display the text and the program being used to display the
email, not with the actual text encoding itself.
For example, if I cut the Greek text you included below out of the email and past it into a Microsoft word document and instruct that program
to display it using the Palatino Linotype font that is included with Windows or the latest version of the Cardo font (available for free
download) the placement of all the diacritics is perfect in some type sizes but in other type sizes sometimes a breath mark and a circumflex are
displayed on top of each other.
But if I do the same experiment pasting the text into an Open Office text document the diacritics seem to be displayed better in most type sizes.
depending on which fonts and type sizes you have your receiving email program set to display text in, you may see good diacritics or poorly
placed diacritics, or utter gobbledygook.
Many Greek fonts have not been well designed in certain type sizes, or certain type sizes are not actually included in the font at all, but must
be simulated my the rendering agent of the software you are using to display the text.
The underlying unicode codes are the same and usually are correct in accordance with the current unicode standard for polytonic Greek but they
get displayed different depending on your chosen font etc.
However not all Greek Keyboard software simulator programs apply the correct current unicode standard, and sometimes use combining diacritic
characters e.g plain alpha character, followed by a combining smooth breathing, followed by a combining acute accent character, etc. If the
underlying encoded contains this type of text, then some display programs are not able to handle that and display it nearly as well as they can
display
an underlying combined polytonic character that is a single code that represents an alpha with a breathing and an acute prebuilt into the font.
And a few keyboard programs especially older version of them, are still using incorrect unicode symbols that are no longer preferred according
to the latest Unicode coding standard for polytonic Greek.
everything displays perfectly
On 5/7/2011 6:21 PM, George F Somsel wrote:
> You are correct in thinking that the b-greek list will not propagate attachments
> so your e-mail must have come directly to me. I really don't see a problem. I
> note that in the PDF attachment the smooth breathings seem to be a bit behind
> the vowel, but other than that -- nothing amiss.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> … search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
>
> - Jan Hus
> _________
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Oun Kwon<kwonbbl at gmail.com>
> To: George F Somsel<gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Richard Ghilardi<richardghilardi at att.net>; B-Greek List
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 6:01:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Test: Final
>
> Hi George,
>
> I'm sending a copy of the two texts from Richard, in PDF attachment. Also I
> have enlarged (some, not all) the characters with this problem and put them into
> red font.
>
> Actually both texts show the same problem of placement of accents marks,
> affecting different characters.
>
> I hope you will see what I have found.
>
> Oun Kwon.
>
> P.S. B-Greek list may not accept the attachement.
>
> 2011/5/7 George F Somsel<gfsomsel at yahoo.com>:
>> Those aren't a "character divorced from it's accent mark." Those are signs
>> of elision -- a letter has been dropped as in "don't."
>>
>> george
>> _________
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Oun Kwon<kwonbbl at gmail.com>
>> To: Richard Ghilardi<richardghilardi at att.net>
>> Cc: B-Greek List<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 9:19:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Test: Final
>>
>> 2011/5/6 Richard Ghilardi<richardghilardi at att.net>
>>
>>> Πηλεὺς μὲν ᾧ παιδὶ γέρων ἐπέτελλ’ Ἀχιλῆϊ
>>> αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν καὶ ὑπείροχον ἔμμεναι ἄλλων·
>>> σοὶ δʼ αὖθʼ ὧδʼ ἐπέτελλε Μενοίτιος, Ἄκτορος υἱός·
>>>
>>> Πηλεὺς μὲν ᾧ παιδὶ γέρων ἐπέλλʼ Ἀχιλῆϊ
>>> αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν καὶ ὑπείροχον ἔμμεναι ἄλλων·
>>> σοὶ δ’ αὖθ’ ᾧδ’ ἐπέτελλε Μενοίτιος, Ἄκτορος υἱός·
>>>
>>> Richard Ghilardi
>>> ---
>>>
>>>
>> The top one is correct; the bottom one has some showing a character divorced
>> from its accent mark.
>>
>> Oun Kwon.
> ---
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