[B-Greek] Back to Eph. 2:8
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p1234567891 at gmail.com
Mon May 16 10:52:48 EDT 2011
Dear all,
I thought it might be of note that there is another scripture in which it is
not a person that "saves":
[Luke 7:50]
"ειπεν δε προς την γυναικα η πιστις σου σεσωκεν σε πορευου εις ειρηνην"
"EIPEN DE PROS THN GUNAIKA H PISTIS SOU SESWKEN SE POREUOU EIS EIRHNHN"
"but [he] said towards the woman, your faith has saved you, go into peace."
David Lim
On 15 May 2011 23:05, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
> To which I had a mind to reply: Greek is a language in which it is possible
> for
> a writer to be very precise. But that doesn't mean it is used very
> precisely by
> all who speak or write Greek, and I have long felt that the author of
> Ephesians
> was not, I think, a very careful writer of Greek (I've made that comment, I
> know, ad nauseam!). As pure speculation -- no more than that -- I suggest
> that CARITI here might conceivably be a very loose equivalent of CARITI
> TOU QEOU where CARITI is employed as a dative with a passive verb
> (common to express agent of a passive verb with a perfect tense) as if it
> were QEWi ESTE SEWiSMENOI DIA PISTEWS. Ordinarily such a dative
> indicating the agent of a passive verb would be of a noun indicating a
> person, not a thing and certainly not an abstraction. But that's nothing
> more
> than a guess. But, the old classic hymn says, "Amazing grace ... that saved
> a wretch like me." Of course it wasn't "grace" that did the saving,
> although
> we tend to talk about "grace" as if it were "Grace" -- metonymously for
> "God in his grace."
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>
>
>
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