[B-Greek] How Markos reads the LXX (was future indicative inJonah 1:11 (Joseph Justiss)

Albert Pietersma albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Sat May 21 14:42:17 EDT 2011


Actually, no, that is not what I am saying. I am speaking about the  
translated text as produced. Mark is now clearly speaking of the text  
as received, i.e. the text as it was read in at some point in  
reception history. The distinction between the text as produced and  
the text as received is axiomatic.
Al
On May 21, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Barry H. wrote:

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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Kilmon" <jkilmon at historian.net 
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> To: "Mark Lightman" <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>; "Albert Pietersma" <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca 
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> Cc: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 12:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] How Markos reads the LXX (was future  
> indicative inJonah 1:11 (Joseph Justiss)
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>
>> OK, Mark. I was expecting a response based more on scholarship  
>> rather than personal faith “perceptions” so there would be no sense  
>> in my addressing misperceptions.  At least I know where this  
>> paradigm comes from.
>>
>> [M. EGRAYEN]  I guess I'm trying to read the LXX the way the God- 
>> fearers did, who presumably did not know Hebrew.
>
> Jack, I think this, buried amidst his humor, is the heart of what  
> Mark is saying (and also, I think, Albert).  How would a "God- 
> fearer" or recent convert to Judaism, who only had access to what we  
> call the OT in Greek, have read the Greek?  He would have read it  
> trying to understand the Greek, without any access to, or perhaps  
> even awareness of, the Hebrew.  Would he have been aware that he was  
> reading and hearing a very odd style of Greek? Probably.  When I  
> read the NASB, it often sounds very odd.  I certainly wouldn't say  
> it or write it that way, and most "native" English speakers would  
> not, but we still understand it as English or at least try so to  
> understand it.  As Silva used to put it, translators may produce  
> some very odd receptor language renderings, but they rarely produce  
> impossible ones. I've shared in other contexts (if this is too  
> personal a faith perception, please disregard) my experience reading  
> the book of Revelation after a couple of intense seminars on the  
> Greek tragedians and orators.  Talk about strange Greek!  But I had  
> no trouble reading it and understanding, at least at the semantic  
> and syntactic level, what was intended.  I strongly suspect our  
> ancient God-fearers would have had a similar experience.
>
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