[B-Greek] "WRITE, WRITE WRITE' (was "Suggestions Please!")
Randall Buth
randallbuth at gmail.com
Mon May 30 10:18:38 EDT 2011
> I don't know how many times we have to say this
> ...
>If there is someone whose reading fluency has been
> harmed by writing or reading
> less than perfect Greek, they should come forward.
Mark,
that is delightfully on target. And I'm not sure that
it differs in methodology from what Carl recommends
as long as the commitment to get it into Greek is
there.
Now if we can just get you to read
HLEI HLEI LAMA SABAXQANEI
ηλει ηλει λαμα σαβαχθανει correctly.
[Oh, I guess that's not Greek anyway :-) ! ]
IWANHS
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>wrote:
> I don't know how many times we have to say this George, or in how many
> ways.
> If you read good Greek at the same time as you write you will catch a lot
> of your mistakes.
> Not all of them, but enough of them. One's written Greek starts off
> horrible, but it
> does get better. Everyone I know who writes and reads Greek regularly
> experiences this.
> With spoken Greek it's even more so the case. But you have to start
> somewhere.
>
> You can do it Carl's way of course, work through the comp books first and
> practice
> re-writing real Greek before you attempt to communicate with real people.
> That
> works fine. But the other way around works too.
>
> And remember, the goal is not ultimately to write good Greek but to improve
> your
> reading fluency. I agree with Carl that one should strive to go beyond
> pigin Greek,
> but as Louis points out, the important thing is to get the forms to become
> automatic.
> Even pigin Greek accomplishes this. Plus, one sometimes chooses to use
> pigin
> Greek to communicate with beginners. When you chat on line or speak face
> to
> face, you don't have time for anything BUT pigin Greek.
>
> If there is someone whose reading fluency has been harmed by writing or
> reading
> less than perfect Greek, they should come forward.
>
>
> Mark L
>
>
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
> --- On *Mon, 5/30/11, George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] "WRITE, WRITE WRITE' (was "Suggestions Please!")
> To: "Mark Lightman" <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>, "B Greek" <
> b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>, "Randall Buth" <randallbuth at gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 7:47 AM
>
>
> The problem arises when one begins to write Johnny Walker Greek and there
> is no one to correct.
>
>
> george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> … search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
>
> - Jan Hus
> _________
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
> *To:* B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; Randall Buth <
> randallbuth at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Mon, May 30, 2011 6:20:14 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [B-Greek] "WRITE, WRITE WRITE' (was "Suggestions Please!")
>
> Randall egrapsed
>
> < For mentors, you have all the ancient authors...>
>
> Indeed you do, and some of those ancient authors, to wit John the Revelator
> and
> the LXX translators, wrote in less than proper Greek. Who will mentor the
> mentors?
>
> If writing Holy Ghost Greek was good enough for these guys, it's good
> enough for
> me.
>
> George wrote
>
> <It is somewhat synonymous to the inmates running the assylum.>
>
> Hi, George,
>
> If this was good enough for the Athenians, it's good enough for me.
>
> Mark L
>
> Φωσφορος
>
>
>
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
> --- On Sun, 5/29/11, Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=randallbuth@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=randallbuth@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: [B-Greek] "WRITE, WRITE WRITE' (was "Suggestions Please!")
> To: "B Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org<http://mc/compose?to=b-greek@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >
> Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 11:52 PM
>
> >While I don't wish to imply that writing is not a valuable tool in
> learning a
> language, I would be rather cautious in advocating its use. Without a
> qualified
> mentor to correct missteps, it can result in bad practices becoming
> ingrained.
> >
>
> George, I would be careful about the advice because it can easily turn
> into a justification for not learning Greek, not internalizing it like a
> real
> language. For mentors, you have all the ancient authors, just keep
> paying
> attention
> as you read and as an ancient author says something in a way
> that surprises you.
>
> EIHS ERRWMENOS
> IWANHS
>
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