From: Carlton L. Winbery (
Date: Fri Aug 02 1996 - 06:08:50 EDT

Jim Clardy wrote;
>Some grammars have what would amount to the passive of the
>pulperfect as the translation for the perfect passive. For example, "I
>had been loosed" is noted as perfect passive.

Jim, could you give an example or a reference in the text that would be
translated this way?
The import of the perfect tense is perfective action. In the perfect the
speaker/writer can use it to stress the completed action or the continuing

>If one is trying to give integrity to the subtle differences of the
>language, wouldn't it be more acceptable to let the perfect passive
>be translated as such rather than giving it the appearance that is
>really "past action in past time" with no necessary effects continuing
>in the present.

As far as time, the perfect vasilates between the present and the past.

>One grammar does suggest the "pluperfect passive forms a part of the
>perfect middle system."
>I'm reviewing this part of my grammar and thought some of you might have
>a helpful comment.
>One other question: Doesn't the language have more fluidity to it than
>most of the traditional grammars have a tendency to recognize?
Most definitely!

Carlton L. Winbery
Prof. Religion
LA College, Pineville, La

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