Re: OU+PAS (Romans 9:6 reconsidered)

Date: Tue Jun 03 1997 - 12:39:46 EDT

In a message dated 97-06-03 10:43:05 EDT, (Jim Beale)

> I've found two kinds of verses in which OU+PAS is found. In the
> first kind, OU is construed with PAS. In these OU negates the
> universal affirmative proposition producing a particular negative
> proposition; ~(All a is b) becomes (Some a is not b). In the second
> kind, OU is construed with the verb, producing a universal affirmation
> (or negation depending on the way the relation is written). Of this
> latter class are two important verses: Rom 3:20, Gal 2:16.

The awkward thing about applying this idea to Romans 9:6 is the presence of
the resumptive hOUTOI. It does not make sense, as Piper rightly points out,
to sum up an indefinite OU PANTES (not all = some) with the very definite
hOUTOI. We would not say, "Not all the people at the party? Those were the
ones having fun." Something similar is found in Romans 7:15 (about which, I
have discovered, there was much discussion here some years ago). Again, it
seems best to me to take the OU as negating the entire concept which follows:
 It is not the case that "PANTES hOI EX ISRAHL, hOUTOI ISRAHL."
 Interestingly enough, this fits modern slang: "'All who are of Israel,
these ones are Israel'--NOT!" =)

Thanks for the input, Jim.



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