Re: Revelation and Fourth Gospel

From: Lemuel G. Abarte (
Date: Mon Jun 23 1997 - 11:25:59 EDT

What about the personal statement in Rev. 1:9? If this guy was not the
Apostle John, who was he then and what is he doing in the isle of Patmos?
Was he a prominent personality so as to be in a position to be exiled? His
prominence should prompt the believers to note of his authority in the
local churches. Any letter would be regarded spurious if there is no
apostolic authorship. Leaders of the early church do not enjoy authority
over all churches other than the apostles. Shouldn't we also give weight
to the tradition of Johanine authorship? It is to be noted that the seven
letters enjoyed a wide circulation amongst the early Christians in Asia
Minor. One aspect of acceptance of the writings is the indelible stamp of
apostolic authority carried by these letters. In the light of the debate
on canonicity, it is highly doubtful that these early Christians would
accept an author unknown to most of them, particularly in the period when
most of the apostles had died and religious persecution was on the rise.
The proximity of the early Church Fathers who attested to the Johanine
authorship should be considered. After all, the books of the NT bear a
stamp of an apostle's approval. We could also surmise that John wrote
directly without the assistance of a scribe, hence the nature and style of
a non-Greek writer! But the similarity to prophetic writing of the Old
Testament like Ezekiel is pretty striking! We could even consider that the
author was well read in the OT Scriptures!
> From: Jonathan Robie <>
> To:
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Revelation and Fourth Gospel
> Date: 23 2540 18:18
> At 07:57 PM 6/23/97 +1000, David McKay wrote:
> >The subject matter of the fourth gospel and the Revelation are quite
> >different. Would we expect the language to be the same?
> I just fished some excerpts out of my mailbox. Are these paragraphs by
> same author, two different authors, or three different authors? If two
> different authors, which two paragraphs are by the same author?
> Excerpt 1:
> >Good answers have been given; I'll just add one point. A Greek word
> >doesn't necessarily have to agree with anything. Luke isn't to be
> >faulted because he wrote a word that doesn't agree with any other
> >words. To the question of why a word is in a certain gender, number,
> >and case, agreement with another word is only one of many possible
> >answers. It is the CORRECT answer only when the word is in an
> >attributive relationship to the other word. In the absence of such a
> >relationship between two words, any agreement between them is
> >incidental.
> Excerpt 2:
> >Sounds like your family has quite a range of siblings. It really is
> >how very different siblings can be, given the same parents and more or
> >the same schooling and general environment. It makes one wonder how
> >Freudian psychiatrists ever got away with the notion that parents are to
> >blame for neurotic children.
> Excerpt 3:
> >I just ordered 8 Production Reds, 7 Barred Rocks, 5 Buff Orpingtons, and
> >Silver laced Wyandotts, which should all arrive the week of May 12th,
> >they need to confirm the date tomorrow.
> Of course, this is a little different from the job of determining whether
> Revelations and John are written by the same author, since you have a
> smaller sample of text, but it *does* give a feeling for the problem. And
> I'm quite certain that most of us are better at catching the nuances of
> English than the nuances of Greek. Incidentally, I didn't pick these
> examples to make it hard, I just took things I could find quickly, making
> sure I didn't include anything anybody would find embarassing.
> Jonathan
> Jonathan Robie
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