Re: Eph 5:19b

From: Ben Crick (
Date: Thu Sep 25 1997 - 22:40:24 EDT

On Wed 24 Sep 97 (05:56:20), wrote:
> One question for clarification's sake here, Ben. I am assuming that your
> "from the heart" conception of the sense is what accounts for the Ablative
> side of your identification "Instrumental/Ablative" here, but although
> the Proto Indo European instrumental do, in fact, fuse in Latin and perhaps
> in some other IE languages, they go separate ways in Greek, Instrumental
> with Dative and Ablative with Genitive. This being the case, I don't
> see how THi KARDIAi can be Ablative. Could you explain this? Did you
> mean something more than that "from the heart" is also IMPLICIT in the
> expression, or only that?

 Thank you Carl for the timely reminder. I have learnt French, German, Latin,
 Russian, Greek and Hebrew in my youth ("class of '60"). Of those only Russian
 preserves a fully inflected structure in 6 cases, Nom Acc Gen Dat Instr Loc.

 I was influenced by Psalms 9:1; 86:12; 111:1; 119:145; 138:1, where the Hebrew
 reads /BeKhoL-LiBBiY/ or /BeKhol-LeBhaBhiY/ or /BeKhoL-LeBh/. This is rendered
 in the familiar KJV as "*with* my whole heart": seemingly instrumental. The
 preposition /Be-/ means "in" usually; hence Locative. The LXX reads in nearly
 indicates Locative, n'est-ce pas?

 As to Ephesians 5:19, we have no preposition, just the bare THi KARDIAi.
 If this were a LXX Psalm phrase half quoted by Paul, it could be that we
 should mentally insert EN [hOLHi] before THi KARDIAi. Then it could be either
 "in the heart" or "with the heart", couldn't it? Is the KJV right to render
 it "with my whole heart"?

 Or does the Psalmist mean "silently", "in his heart" but not with his lips?
 Hardly in Psalm 119:145, where LXX has EKEKRAXA EN hOLHi KARDIAi MOU ! A
 silent scream? - no.

 Revd Ben Crick, BA CF
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